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New gun law

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January 3, 2013

Some changes are coming for owners of firearms in Ohio after legislation signed by Gov. John Kasich takes effect in a couple of months. House Bill 495, inked by the governor Dec....

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stickhauler

Jan-12-13 2:33 AM

But Freddy, cite these lawsuits the NRA has mounted to prevent Connecticut lawmakers from enforcing the laws they passed. Cite the enormous pressure brought by Colt that prevented the same.

I've got your answer you were too lazy to seek out on your own. The California shooter took his older brother's shotgun. So, he's a thief too!

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stickhauler

Jan-12-13 2:20 AM

Freddy, I seem to remember the Columbine shootings went on DURING the time when the AWB was in place. The shooters, from well-off families, had enough disposable income to persuade 2 adults to buy their guns for them.

How did the kid in California get his guns? Beats me, I haven't seen news reports stating that fact.

Bu the majority of the mass shootings you speak of happened in "gun free" zones. In the case of the Arizona shooter, a CCW holder actually helped subdue the shooter.

One little problem with the "gun free" zone concept. Law abiding gun owners wouldn't be carrying a gun there, so it would be pretty tough for them to stop the shooter.

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thegreek

Jan-11-13 10:09 AM

oh and I almost forgot, Blah blah blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah blah blah Don't u feelee betteer now. Irisheyes and Oneill.

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thegreek

Jan-11-13 10:07 AM

Blah blah blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah blah blah Blah blah blah blah blah blah Signed Oniell and Irisheyes.

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stickhauler

Jan-09-13 10:27 PM

Well Irish, I thought you capable of expressing yourself in language better than a text message. I guess not!

So, in your opinion, since a madman used stolen firearms to murder children, better than 1/3rd of America deserves punishment? Didn't we try this "ban" stuff before in our history? Aren't we still trying that futile effort to combat drugs? And how well is that working out for us? Didn't we repeal prohibition after learning it was impossible to force Americans to not drink alcohol?

I assure you, if such legislation is introduced, America will fight back! Legislators who support such a measure better be seeking an honest way to make a living, because they'll be voted out as soon as possible.

The honest, law abiding gun owners are not responsible for this crime. Where is your outrage at the ACLU, who forced the closure of mental institutions? Who brag about lawsuits where they won the right of mentally ill people to NOT take their medication if they chose not to?

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irisheyes

Jan-09-13 9:22 PM

Some of u on here promise defiance with gun control, ull git it! Its coming ur way, and ur not going to like it! Crow all u want about prying guns from ur cold dead hands all u want, but if u insist, it will be given to u, big time! Children were killed by a nut with a gun, not a car or club, a gun, and u want to defend killer weapons in this society! The sooner u have ur way the better for everyone

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stickhauler

Jan-09-13 2:40 PM

Fred, clearly you have lost your mind! A 28 day waiting period? Why? You propose a restriction that will have zero impact on mass murderers. What, if they have to delay their killing spree, they'll change their mind? They'll lose the oppourtunity to kill lots of people if they have to wait 28 days?

There are TWO recurring criteria in these mass murders: 1. They are all "gun free" zones. 2. The murderers are mentally ill.

Yet, you on the left feel, since you have a tragedy, it's time to push your anti-gun agenda? What, is this another "Never let a crisis go to waste" moment?

Putting more restrictions on lawful citizens, as a "knee-jerk" reaction to Newtown, is as illogical as most everything you on the left push on America. Be ready to face resistance, LOTS of it! Be ready to face defiance! Because, even though you folks have rammed a ton of crap on America, Constitutional rights are non-negotiable!

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thegreek

Jan-09-13 1:25 PM

And, I never said like or equal arms. A smaller weapon can do the trick. Those are your words.

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thegreek

Jan-09-13 1:23 PM

My point is if a gun owner prevented it then it did not happen and there is no record of that person stopping it, usually. There are many cases of crime being prevented by a person using a gun. I have given references to this fact, unlike you Oniell. The mass murders have happened in gun free zones where a legal gun owner/carrier will not break the law and carry a gun to stop such an act.. WOW. I would draw you another picture but I don't think it will help. I think the density of your brain matter is such that it is incomprehensible to you..

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thegreek

Jan-09-13 12:28 PM

Oniell. How do you say no mass killings were prevented by a gun owner??? There ARE indeed many cases of these being prevented. THEY DID NOT HAPPEN so there is no mass murders to report.

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stickhauler

Jan-09-13 12:09 AM

Freddie, I know it totally screws up your "talking points", but any dealers operating at a gun show have to require buyers to fill out a Form 4473, and call in the buyers personal info for the required background check.

Have you ever attended a gun show? I'm guessing the answer is NO! Because, if you had, you'd know there is typically a fairly high number of law enforcement officers in attendence at them. From local police right on up to BATFE agents.

Criminals don't buy guns at gun shows. A government study found the vast majority of criminals send a family member to legally buy them a gun. Or they buy it from another criminal who stole them from the owners home.

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stickhauler

Jan-08-13 11:58 PM

Fred, check the rate of gun violence in Jamacia, where there is NO private gun ownership. And they're an island, where their law enforcement could easily monitor everything that enters the country.

You like statistics so well, check out the DOJ's crime rate statistics for the past several years versus gun sales numbers. We've seen more firearms bought for around the past decade or longer. Yet, we're seeing firearms related violent crime rates drop.

Now, if as you claim, gun ownership by civilians is such an issue, how could crime rates drop? There are more privately owned guns, more civilians carrying for self defense, yet less firearms related crimes?

Oh, BTW, the cops being outgunned can't be a problem. The government is, and has been, arming police departments who requested them, "select-fire" M-4 rifles for many years. They're armory refreshed surplus military rifles, the "full auto" model M-4, the designation these days for the AR platform rifle. They're a

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thegreek

Jan-08-13 3:54 PM

Here are your gun toting wild west lunatic nut job CCW holders Oneill. You are proven to be wrong, again. *.According to one source cited by Goldberg, concealed-carry permit holders not only commit fewer crimes than members of the general public—they commit fewer crimes than police officers. It is certainly possible that in states with stringent requirements, civilians who take the trouble to go through the permitting process will be an unusually scrupulous bunch. Eight million people have been issued concealed-carry permits in the United States. samharris****

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thegreek

Jan-08-13 1:25 PM

AMEN and well said stickhauler. Oniell. I will draw you a picture. If you ban these semi auto guns someone will come in with a single shot shot gun and do the same amount of damage depending on how fast they could reload. You don't even have a clue to how things work. DUHH... Remember in 1st grade when they had the work sheet where you could pick the like and unlike pictures?? Heres one. semi auto gun, single shot gun, knife, club, What is the bad gun crazy murderer gonna pick? If you are gonna defend your self from him, what u gonna pick? You cant pick that semi auto that he has, cause you banned it !! He just stole his. You need to arm your mind with some knowledge !!

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snake021

Jan-08-13 1:12 AM

And to answer a previous question... The Mayan Palace, Jeanne Assam at her church, The Appalachian Law School, the Oregon mall, just to name a few.

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snake021

Jan-08-13 12:50 AM

Here's a little trivia. The worst mass shooting in the country was accomplished with what weapons?

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stickhauler

Jan-08-13 12:09 AM

Your side of this argument are choosing to dance in the blood of those children to advance your own political agenda. That shows a lot about you folks!

Have you seen the recent Gallup poll? The NRA currently has a higher favorable rating than your hero, Obama. The lunacy the left has discussed recently has been the driving force in seeing gun shops cleaned out of anything that has "AR" or "AK", and prices for those items going to 3-4 times prior retail prices. And you really think passing more idiotic laws will MAKE these buyers hand over these guns?

If you "gun ban" nuts could offer even a shread of evidence that more laws would end such tragedies, I'd be first in line to listen to you. But instead, anyone who disagrees with your agenda, gets insulted. You guys refuse to have an adult discussion!

Passing laws that turn 1/3rd of America into criminals will not safeguard our children. Making baseless claims that current laws somehow makes you less safe

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stickhauler

Jan-07-13 11:57 PM

You read my comment, then try to twist it to fit your own agenda. Both the Boy Scouts & the 4-H have marksmanship programs. The NRA sponsors both, and NRA instructors offer their expertise to both groups for free.

The NRA assists smaller police agencies with training as well, with member ranges offering their facilities and instructors at no cost. Perhaps you've avoided reading Gallup poll results since the election, but the NRA has a higher favorable rating than your hero, Obama.

I avoided posting anything about guns for a time after Colorado and Newtown, until you and your lackey Free started out spouting your lies!

And, for the record, if you or any other anti-gun zealot could show even a shread of evidence that new gun laws/bans/restrictions, could stop insane people from exploiting "gun free" zones to kill as many as they could, I'd listen to your ideas. BUT, you can't do so! You choose instead to try to paint law abiding gun owners as criminals. You choose to i

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thegreek

Jan-07-13 7:20 PM

Ok. For the sake of arguement, we abolish the Semi Automatic Rifles, known as AR's machine guns as fear mongers want to portray the weapon. You don't think someone will use something else? I know a guy that can shoot a single shot shot gun as fast as I can my pump shotgun by holding the shells in between his fingers. 6 shots in about as many seconds. People know that once you start banning them, there will be no end to banning them. As for that, this blog is so rediculous as stickholder said because leftist ninnys have their minds made up that guns are bad for everyone and won't listen to anyone elses point of view but post 5 times in a row to keep overtalking other people like they do not matter.!!

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stickhauler

Jan-07-13 6:06 PM

I really don't get you Freddy! No matter what I reply with, you go off on a screed about anything and everything under the Sun, other than what I addressed.

Are there people in militias? Duh, sure! How many cases have there been of such a group actually causing a problem? ONE! And how exactly a militia composed of guys in their 60's are really a danger? I ain't seen it, these guys (if media reports were correct) were a lot of talk.

So, now your solution is to implement a military armory set-up in order for people to have semi-auto rifles? What about people who live on enough land that they do their target shooting on a range they constructed on their own acreage? What, they have to join a gun club?

Try reading the well-reasoned article by Tom Gresham in Sunday's Columbus Dispatch.

The NRA has never advocated for firearms that you claim they do. A major project for the NRA is firearm safety and youth shooting programs. They partner with the Boy Scouts and the 4-H in running

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thegreek

Jan-05-13 8:11 PM

Oniell, did someone bully you with a gun when you were young? Is that why you see us all as Rambo types? What reason do you have to be so against responsible gun owners? You say one time you are not but the next champion restricting our "toys". Why do you bash the NRA? I am the NRA. Your neighbors are too. Not Winchester or Remington corporations. If you despise gun violence like we do in the NRA then you should say that not bash guns and responsible owners. We are agianst laws that restrict or reduce our 2nd ammendment right to keep and bear arms. That is IT. Period. If someone wants to restrict your right to post here, your right to free speech, or your right to choose what religion you like, wouldn't you be against that as an American that the Constitution guaranttes you that right? That is what makes the USA better than any other country !

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stickhauler

Jan-05-13 7:06 PM

Keep telling lies Fred, the NRA has always advocated keeping guns out of the hands of those who aren't allowed to own them, be it because of their criminal record or their mental health issues.

But admitting that would hamper your ability to try and paint them otherwise.

I'm not playing Rambo, or anything else. I go to a shooting range, where safety is mandated, and shooters are supervised by range officers. Even shooting more than one round in less than 5 seconds time is prohibited.

Spare us the dramatic claims of gun owners out playing "army" or something similar. Stop the idiotic attempts at painting law abiding gun owners as criminals.

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stickhauler

Jan-05-13 2:57 AM

Fred, for as much as you bash the NRA, they've advocated for the addition of mentally ill people being added to the data used in FBI background checks.

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Kunectdots

Jan-04-13 7:31 PM

"Media blackout: Shooter kills family members, wounds baby and police officer"

h ttp://w ww.examiner.c om/article/media-blackout-shooter-kills-family-members-wounds-baby-and-police-officer

BE SURE TO READ THE COMMENTS AFTER THE ARTICLE.

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thegreek

Jan-04-13 6:24 PM

The first thing people say is we are returning to wild west days. The data proves the theory wrong.

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