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New gun law

Competency paper waived after initial permit

January 3, 2013

Some changes are coming for owners of firearms in Ohio after legislation signed by Gov. John Kasich takes effect in a couple of months. House Bill 495, inked by the governor Dec....

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thegreek

Jan-03-13 10:36 AM

I dont see it as much of a "new gun law" but expanding the old one. Renewing competency every 5 years is good for the old timers that shoot alot but probably not enough for the novice people. The person that gave the CCW training should dictate how competent a person is after training.

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Baseball

Jan-03-13 11:48 AM

Competency testing needs to be the same across the board. All 50 states should be the same and recognize each other’s CCW. I find it ridiculous as an Ohio resident with Ohio Competency Training that I can’t carry my firearm in Pennsylvania. However, I also have my CCW through Virginia as a non resident and who does have reciprocity with Pennsylvania. Virginia by the way is a very lax state when it comes to obtaining a CCW through their state. All I had to do was pass an on-line course and then apply for a CCW permit. Self defense is not a state to state issue.

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thegreek

Jan-03-13 1:06 PM

Great points Baseball. I agree 100%.

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thegreek

Jan-03-13 1:10 PM

I got pulled over testerday by Ohio State Highway patrolman. Followed the rules, told him about my weapons. He took them to his car, wrote me a ticket and came back and thanked me and commented that I did everything right. He said he believed it was everyones right to defend themself. Very good deal except for the $115. I thought the speed limit was 45 it was 40.

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jeepman121

Jan-03-13 4:11 PM

@ thegreek it is a ne gun law by allowing loaded clips/magazines during transportation for non CCW holders. I called MPD once to verify this and he couldn't really answer it. he said "Better be safe than sorry and don't do it"

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rocker

Jan-03-13 6:58 PM

Wow thegreek! 5 miles over the limit and he gave you a ticket? Lol

I got pulled over recently going 9 miles over in a 35mph zone and luckily I only got a warning.

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aknar1999

Jan-03-13 8:42 PM

He took your gun to his car???I dont think he is allowed to do that.

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thegreek

Jan-03-13 9:23 PM

51 mph in a 40 zone. I supposed he ran the serial numbers on them in the car. There were 2.

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sweetandsassy

Jan-03-13 10:09 PM

I am glad that law abiding citizans can carry a gun....i was raised in the country and we always had at least 2 on hand....but the way 2 solve these problems isnt gun contr and stricker laws because bad news everyone criminals r gonna get them one way or another so strickter laws for the ones who r following them isnt going 2 b much help.....what we need 2 do is take all this money we pay 2 the government and use it 2 fund state mental words and classes for teachers to be able 2 point out troubled kids and get is ordered by schools or the state 2 have them b evaluated by doctors......all these horrible thing happening is because kids r slipping through the cracks we need more focus on mental health and less on guns because guns dont pick themselves up and drive cars people do

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sweetandsassy

Jan-03-13 10:11 PM

Sorry about some of the spellings....typing from a cell phone isnt as easy as from a desktop or labtop

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Kunectdots

Jan-03-13 10:51 PM

HEY! oneill's IS still s@cking, err, I mean breathing.

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thegreek

Jan-04-13 12:31 PM

Correct Workingstiff. The trainer know who the novices are by the training he gave them. i.e. did they point a "loaded" handgun at them in handling practice where he assessed if they can be trusted with a loaded weapon? Or generally show no working knowledge of a gun. Because alot of people that get a CCW are people that have been or feel threatened by someone and it may be their last resort. You can tell those people from the ones that have handled a weapon all their lives but want a CCW for vacation trips etc. Another point I would like to make and that is we need to deal with the ADULT BULLIES in our society and the business world. The schools are just now dealing with the problem that has been around forever!!

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thegreek

Jan-04-13 12:36 PM

Oniell. Feel free to use Chicago or Wash DC or England as your shining star prototype of gun free zones. They still have major problems and everyone but your types knows it. Gangs steal guns from outside the city limits and commit more murders than you can deal with. You can live there if you want but leave me here around all these crazy, lunatic, hillbilly, concealed weapons owners as you label them. I bet I could sleep at night and wake up in the morning. Unlike Chicago !!

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stickhauler

Jan-04-13 2:58 PM

Workingstiff, if you know of people who are selling CCW training, and not requiring them to complete the standards, report them!

The 88 sheriff's departments of Ohio are running short-staffed in this economy, and many actually take the full 90 days to issue a permit. And you think they need to have to administer a test themselves of applicants?

I advise anyone who has completed the basic course to qualify for a CCW to take as much training as they can. Every instructor I know offers advanced courses for conceal carry permit holders.

I don't see any changes in this law that places the public in any danger, I ask if anyone has a legitimate issue, to offer it up.

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Kunectdots

Jan-04-13 3:01 PM

oneill - My arsena's fine! I am running low on Liberal-based lube cream though. Care to bumble out in front of a bus for us?

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thegreek

Jan-04-13 5:26 PM

Ok Oneill, by "feeling threatened" I am speaking of a spouse that has a partner that likes to beat on them and threatens to kill them. OK you made me say it. I am not talking about paranoid people that think everyone is looking at them funny like you would want every one to think I am speaking about. You really need to go visit some shelters. You have EVE pretty close. Why dont you get off the computer and go over there for a visit and maybe you wont be so sheltered in your cornered thinking anymore.

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thegreek

Jan-04-13 5:28 PM

I would like to see you up against a gang in Chicago for a few hours some night Oniell. What would you do? Start talking about how great gun control is with them?

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thegreek

Jan-04-13 6:24 PM

The first thing people say is we are returning to wild west days. The data proves the theory wrong.

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Kunectdots

Jan-04-13 7:31 PM

"Media blackout: Shooter kills family members, wounds baby and police officer"

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BE SURE TO READ THE COMMENTS AFTER THE ARTICLE.

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stickhauler

Jan-05-13 2:57 AM

Fred, for as much as you bash the NRA, they've advocated for the addition of mentally ill people being added to the data used in FBI background checks.

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stickhauler

Jan-05-13 7:06 PM

Keep telling lies Fred, the NRA has always advocated keeping guns out of the hands of those who aren't allowed to own them, be it because of their criminal record or their mental health issues.

But admitting that would hamper your ability to try and paint them otherwise.

I'm not playing Rambo, or anything else. I go to a shooting range, where safety is mandated, and shooters are supervised by range officers. Even shooting more than one round in less than 5 seconds time is prohibited.

Spare us the dramatic claims of gun owners out playing "army" or something similar. Stop the idiotic attempts at painting law abiding gun owners as criminals.

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thegreek

Jan-05-13 8:11 PM

Oniell, did someone bully you with a gun when you were young? Is that why you see us all as Rambo types? What reason do you have to be so against responsible gun owners? You say one time you are not but the next champion restricting our "toys". Why do you bash the NRA? I am the NRA. Your neighbors are too. Not Winchester or Remington corporations. If you despise gun violence like we do in the NRA then you should say that not bash guns and responsible owners. We are agianst laws that restrict or reduce our 2nd ammendment right to keep and bear arms. That is IT. Period. If someone wants to restrict your right to post here, your right to free speech, or your right to choose what religion you like, wouldn't you be against that as an American that the Constitution guaranttes you that right? That is what makes the USA better than any other country !

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stickhauler

Jan-07-13 6:06 PM

I really don't get you Freddy! No matter what I reply with, you go off on a screed about anything and everything under the Sun, other than what I addressed.

Are there people in militias? Duh, sure! How many cases have there been of such a group actually causing a problem? ONE! And how exactly a militia composed of guys in their 60's are really a danger? I ain't seen it, these guys (if media reports were correct) were a lot of talk.

So, now your solution is to implement a military armory set-up in order for people to have semi-auto rifles? What about people who live on enough land that they do their target shooting on a range they constructed on their own acreage? What, they have to join a gun club?

Try reading the well-reasoned article by Tom Gresham in Sunday's Columbus Dispatch.

The NRA has never advocated for firearms that you claim they do. A major project for the NRA is firearm safety and youth shooting programs. They partner with the Boy Scouts and the 4-H in running

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thegreek

Jan-07-13 7:20 PM

Ok. For the sake of arguement, we abolish the Semi Automatic Rifles, known as AR's machine guns as fear mongers want to portray the weapon. You don't think someone will use something else? I know a guy that can shoot a single shot shot gun as fast as I can my pump shotgun by holding the shells in between his fingers. 6 shots in about as many seconds. People know that once you start banning them, there will be no end to banning them. As for that, this blog is so rediculous as stickholder said because leftist ninnys have their minds made up that guns are bad for everyone and won't listen to anyone elses point of view but post 5 times in a row to keep overtalking other people like they do not matter.!!

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stickhauler

Jan-07-13 11:57 PM

You read my comment, then try to twist it to fit your own agenda. Both the Boy Scouts & the 4-H have marksmanship programs. The NRA sponsors both, and NRA instructors offer their expertise to both groups for free.

The NRA assists smaller police agencies with training as well, with member ranges offering their facilities and instructors at no cost. Perhaps you've avoided reading Gallup poll results since the election, but the NRA has a higher favorable rating than your hero, Obama.

I avoided posting anything about guns for a time after Colorado and Newtown, until you and your lackey Free started out spouting your lies!

And, for the record, if you or any other anti-gun zealot could show even a shread of evidence that new gun laws/bans/restrictions, could stop insane people from exploiting "gun free" zones to kill as many as they could, I'd listen to your ideas. BUT, you can't do so! You choose instead to try to paint law abiding gun owners as criminals. You choose to i

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