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Potential Heartbeat Bill sparks debate over abortions in Ohio

April 5, 2013

Legislation that would have essentially made it illegal to perform an abortion if a fetal heartbeat could be detected in the womb of an expectant mother died in the Ohio Senate last fall, but it’s......

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Apr-05-13 9:25 AM

This is the way I see issues like this. First and foremost, I don't think we will ever see an end to abortion. I also think that is highly unlikely that our guns will be taken away and that someday gay marriage will be legal. Two of these are moral issues and we can't legislate morality. Issues like this do nothing but distract from the very real problems that we face as a nation. If the media did not have these things to stir people up, they might actually have to report on the much bigger issues we face as a nation.

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Apr-05-13 10:15 AM

Wow Harleyrider! This may be the first time I've agreed with you. Abortion is being used as a diversionary tactic to shift attention from more pressing concerns.

Abortion is a woman's concern. She is only a free person in the US if she has the right to control her own body. Abortion is dangerous to women which is why we sought to have medical abortions in a safe, clean environment, rather than on some filthy table by someone more qualified as a butcher than a doctor.

The huge majority of men sponsoring these types of bills have an agenda that isn't about running our cities, counties, states, and country. It's about pushing their religious beliefs on the public, and controlling a segment of the population who will soon be replacing them.

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Apr-05-13 11:03 AM

I normally do not agreee with Harley either, but I have to today.

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Apr-05-13 11:08 AM

Wow I agree with Harley scary

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Apr-05-13 11:58 AM

Harley, rarely do I agree with your opinion, but I think you do an excellent job in making your case on whatever subject you are posting. Today I do agree with you and think you again said it very eloquently.

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Apr-05-13 12:48 PM

Thank God there are still some people holding political office that understand the Constitution and stopped this bill. Those that plan on reintroducing this bill, or any others like it, need to be removed from office.

We have REAL issues in our state and nation that need to be addressed and we need to stop wasting time and money trying to pass any laws based on religious values and start attacking our problems that impact every citizen.

Abortion and gun control are wedge issues that keep mindless individuals voting for politicians based on one issue instead of looking at their positions on REAL issues.

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Apr-05-13 1:28 PM

Glad to see that people are finally in agreement that this is a moral issue. I would suggest that if our Politicians feel the need to legislate morality,they start at home.

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Apr-05-13 1:33 PM

Townie it is not a moral issue. It is a personal issue belonging to women. Morality cannot be legislated, not should it be.

It is a divisive issue, a diversion, from the tasks at hand.

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Apr-05-13 3:11 PM

"Morality cannot be legislated, nor should it be."

Since when have we not been legislating morality? Our laws are based on many universally held codes of morality. (E.g., murder, stealing, rape, child abuse, are all moral issues that our society has legislated laws to help prevent and laws to punish) Thus, morality is legislated and it should be.

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Apr-05-13 3:38 PM

Until we have the constitutional ability to mandate religion, we will struggle with mandating policy based upon religion. No exceptions for severe genetic deformations, which can cause death or bills of $100,000's of dollars upon birth are an unvoted tax upon the parents. No taxation without representation. No exceptions for rape. No exceptions means: the bill has murdered itself.

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Apr-05-13 3:47 PM

Agreed Doulos- Morality is legislated each time a law is passed regarding theft, rape, incest, legal age to drink, etc....whether it permits the activity or prohibits it. Yes abortion is a moral issue, but the fact that the government legalized it gave it validation and made it morally acceptable to people who may have otherwise rejected it. Many think that if it's legal, it's right.

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Apr-05-13 3:50 PM

This issue is far too complicated to debate in short paragraphs. That said, the majority of abortions are "convenience" abortions- meaning the conditions aren't favorable for the woman to give birth to the child she created. Yes, a woman has a right to do what she pleases with her own body, no argument there. It's that other little body I feel sorry for. And that is all I'm going to add, because this could go on endlessly.

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Apr-05-13 5:00 PM

Had to come back for this. Asknot, you just threw all credibility and reason out the window. Abortion doesn't harm others against their will???? Seriously, those babies chose to be killed? And if you don't think an unborn child is a human life, why punish someone who harms a pregnant women and causes her to lose the child? Advances in science have proven the viability of that life, so don't even go there. And yes, there are laws against neglect, or aren't you aware of them? And where does lack of medicine and clean water play into this issue?

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Apr-05-13 5:22 PM

asknot -- Perhaps you could check out this link, ***********mccl****/unborn-babies-can-feel-pain.html, to verify that unborn babies do feel pain. The techniques used in abortion do harm the unborn child.

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Apr-05-13 5:23 PM

asknot - from the article ... Anatomical studies have documented that the body’s pain network—the spino-thalamic pathway—is established by 20 weeks gestation.

• “At 20 weeks, the fetal brain has the full complement of brain cells present in adulthood, ready and waiting to receive pain signals from the body, and their electrical activity can be recorded by standard electroencephalography (EEG).” — Dr. Paul Ranalli, neurologist, University of Toronto

• An unborn baby at 20 weeks gestation “is fully capable of experiencing pain. … Without question, [abortion] is a dreadfully painful experience for any infant subjected to such a surgical procedure.” — Robert J. White, M.D., PhD., professor of neurosurgery, Case Western University

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Apr-05-13 5:31 PM

You can support big govt. by allowing mandatory medical procedures, marriage and what guns you can own or less intrusive govt. that doesn't restrict any of these. I imagine this creates a problem for most partisan folks commenting though.

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Apr-05-13 5:43 PM

Asknot, if Planned Parenthood spent their huge profits on agencies to fight hunger and disease, it would be great. Do you think Planned Parenthood is non-profit? Abortion is a huge business, why do you think their lobby is so powerful? Science and medicine have made it possible to keep premature "fetuses" alive at earlier and earlier stages---who is supposed to decide when life begins? And who is supposed to decide the value of that life? If a mother doesn't want her 28 week unborn child and is permitted to kill it, how is that different from a mother deciding to kill her newly born 2 week old infant?

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Apr-05-13 5:44 PM

So asknot, then you have decided when that life became valuable--20 weeks. Why not 19? See what I mean?

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Apr-05-13 5:57 PM

Asknot, I will grant you one point--the issue of neglect and medical care. A society that does not value a life at its beginning isn't any more likely to value a life at its end. We are quickly approaching the point of being denied certain treatments and procedures because their cost can't be 'justified' for a life that's nearly over. But that's another issue for another day

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Apr-05-13 6:15 PM

My point is the more subtle difference. Not 2 wk fetus vs. 2 year old child, but closer to birth in both cases. My point is that you draw a line at 20 weeks, some draw it at 2, some never draw it. Many will deny that the unborn are living humans, but sayin' it don't make it right. And you are judging people you don't know--most people who value life value it at ALL levels---and we fight abuse, hunger, neglect any way we can, big or small.

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Apr-05-13 6:49 PM

Citizen, not all planned parenthood offices have abortion services in their clinics. Several just don't offer it. Most offices do offer many other services including birth control, pelvic exams,pregnancy testing ,some blood work, mammograms, usually in mobile van or bus, and reproductive counseling which in no way promotes abortion. Abortion mentioned to pregnant women but no one forces anyone to get an abortion. I hate every time I see planned parenthood offices mentioned only as abortion clinics.They are not a money making agency trying to convince people that there only option is an abortion, yet I read this almost everyday. It just isn't true.

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Apr-05-13 7:20 PM

exof, I am aware of the full spectrum of PP services. I am also aware that they make vast sums of money on abortion services. I am also aware that the founder, Margaret Sanger, was a militant neo-nazi who believed in using birth control to eliminate "inferior" people. Her beliefs are well documented in her many published pieces. Here's a thought--why not offer prenatal services and birth control at free clinics? Then people wouldn't try to justify the existence of Planned Parenthood while it hides its true money-making business behind the veil of "charity"

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Apr-05-13 7:32 PM

Asknot, you are making less and less sense. PP rakes in over 300 MILLION a year from we the taxpayers, IN ADDITION to the income from over 300,000 abortions a year. Budget is not the same as revenue. If PP was not making millions in abortions, they would not offer ANY other care! Get a grip! I'd rather my tax dollars be spent on birth control, too---where did you get the idea I don't? Birth control should be PREVENTIVE, and yes those services should be available. How does having those available justify the killing of babies? Why can't they be made available without offering that?

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Apr-05-13 7:38 PM

Every human has the right to their own beliefs, and they have the will to decide if they believe in a God who created them. Most people polled believe that the fetus is indeed a human life, although they may disagree on when that life begins. So the bottom line question for all those people, is whether a woman has the right to end that life. No euphemism can change what it is---ending a human life. If you feel we should have the right to end that life sometime during pregnancy, that's your right. Some people think they have a right to end someone's life at 6 yrs. old, 18 yrs. old, or 45 yrs. old. Those are the people we call "mad". funny world, isn't it?

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Apr-05-13 7:51 PM

FactCheck**** : Planned Parenthood****factcheck**** › Ask FactCheckCached You +1'd this publicly. Undo Apr 18, 2011 – But the comedic clips apparently did not make it to the inboxes of ... abortions, and whether or not taxpayer money goes to pay for them. Planned Parenthood's chart shows that abortions made up 3 percent of its total services

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