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Common Core education goals come under fire

April 23, 2013

Three years after Ohio adopted the Common Core educational standards and a little more than 15 months from the start of the first year in which students will be tested on them, the standards are......

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RiverRat

Apr-26-13 1:03 PM

MaryPoppins-

"These so called experts on every topic are always off the deep-end."

I haven't posted for over a month. I only post when I have a background in the articles, not on every one like others. You comment hurt a little.

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MaryPoppins

Apr-24-13 9:58 PM

The river rat and harleyrider show. You guys should get a room, or meet in an alley somewhere.

Quite entertaining. Again I say, if you want to educate yourself about this or any subject, search it your self, DO NOT listen to these people.

These so called experts on every topic are always off the deep-end. Do your own research. If you cannot read the standards yourself, please do not use this site as your only way to form an opinion.

Educational standards change all the time. The one constant is the psychos that force the change, NEVER send enough money to fully implement a program or they change it mid-stream.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 4:05 PM

By this situation, I meant Common Core.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 4:04 PM

The best way to deal with education is promote competition among schools. Let the schools set the learning material, let teachers teach. Good schools will excel while poorly performing schools will fade away. It is in a localities, as well as the States interest to have the best schools. That means more people moving to your area, businesses looking to move to your area and a broader tax base. It is a win for everyone. This will make it all like McDonalds. Sure you can eat it, it is consistent every where you go, but is it a quality product?

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 4:00 PM

RiverRat, I understand that. I'm glad you think it is a dirty trick. Now, do you not think that maybe this dirty trick is not good for our kids in any way? Do you realize that several states had HIGHER standards than common core, yet now they will have to actually lower their standards? You really still think this is good for our kids?

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 3:35 PM

RiverRat, you agree it is blackmail then defend it. That puzzles me. You are saying it is fine and dandy for the government to use what ever means needed, that the ends justify the means. I think that is a very dangerous position to take when it comes to governmental powers. I hope for your sake that you are never in their crosshairs.

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RiverRat

Apr-23-13 3:20 PM

asknot - I agree about blackmail. But according to the law, it is not unconstitutional because the state still could have chosen no.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 3:19 PM

The Federal Department of Education, in December 2011, amended the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) to exceed the agency’s statutory authority and thus allows them to collect invasive data on our children.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 2:55 PM

Part of the Common Core initiative seeks to also gather information to be entered into a Federal, or even worldwide, database. Google come core and privacy concerns and read for yourself.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 2:49 PM

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Examination of two of the English Language “text exemplars” for high school students shows they have definite political agendas. “The Cost Conundrum: Health Care Costs in McAllen, Texas,” written by Atul Gawande and first appearing June 2009 in the New Yorker magazine, is at its heart a call for universal, government-run health care. “Executive Order 13423” is a presidential mandate that all government agencies become “sustainable” entities. It promotes controversial scientific ideas and purports them as factually accurate in a way that could unduly influence students"

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 2:46 PM

"The standards are available online. Many have called them confusing and complicated. Detailed goals for each grade level are offered, as well as means of measuring achievements. Books, poems and informational reading are suggested in “text exemplar” sections of Appendices.

Critics and some English teachers object to the emphasis on “informational texts” and the move away from literature that is necessitated to include those assignments.

Although there are no hard and fast rules for using the texts suggested in the Appendices of the Common Core Standards for English Language Arts, it would make sense for teachers to adopt those suggested rather than choosing other readings. They will be teaching to a test so why would they deviate from what the testers suggest?"

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RiverRat

Apr-23-13 2:27 PM

Hootie - "There are 2 jobs for people who are failures at everything else...teaching & politics."

So it is all lost hope, anyone who teaches anything is a failure.

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RiverRat

Apr-23-13 2:26 PM

asknot - The PARCC assessment will waste no more time than the OGT that are currently in place. PARCC is replacing the OGT and is nothing additional to what is already done.

I know a lot of teachers who are not against it, including all three of my children's teachers.

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RiverRat

Apr-23-13 2:23 PM

Not according to the letter of the law as explained in an email from one the OEA attorneys out of West Chester, OH. The states had a "choice" to adopt, even though funding was attached to it. There for it is not "mandated", although I will give you that the states really had no choice.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 2:05 PM

Finally, this stuff is unconstitutional. The states retain the right to be in charge of schools, not the federal government. This takes that out of the states hands

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 2:00 PM

of learning terrifying. I know though that any questions I asked contrary to the core were met with anger and frustration. It was NOT allowed and dismissed to ask a question that was not common core friendly. I along with other teachers are afraid to speak out publicly against the core for fear of losing our jobs. I work in the Jordan school district.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 1:59 PM

Here are the words from a teacher in Utah: "I recently attended a common core day of cheer leading for the sixth grade teachers in my district. Money was used to pay for subs so that we could all hear for a day why the common core was so wonderful. We were told that students would no longer be graded on completion of assignments or an average of assignment and test scores over a grading period. Instead grading will be based on mastery of a subject. How do we determine mastery? The district has provided bench mark tests in language arts. We were told that these are not mandatory BUT that if we did not use them they would become mandatory. I find it scary that students will now be graded only on tests written by the core. The final assessment was a research paper on modern revolutions. Interesting how now in the sixth grade learning can be skewed to a political point of view that may or may not be historically accurate. I find the curriculum scary and the measurement

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 1:49 PM

RiverRat, show me one program that has been centralized that has been both successful and cost effective.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 1:40 PM

RiverRat, you are so blinded. Why don't you research many of the teachers unions views on common core. They don't like it either.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 1:39 PM

RiverRat, my source is a local high school teacher in Belpre. I am thinking I will believe her over the OHIO DOE as she is the one that will be administering tests. In case you have not noticed, the DOE's and Supers are kinda closed lip about this because they stand to lose significant dollars if common core is not fully adopted. That would not give them a reason to mislead at all would it? You have to remember, Common Core comes along because it's implementation prioritizes schools for federal dollars. and to show you this isn't about politics and a bash at Obama, I will even tell you that the horrible No Child Left Behind (Bush's baby and horrible legislation) paved the way for this.

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RiverRat

Apr-23-13 1:30 PM

Harley - and by the mere fact that you have typed it, I have to believe your source is the Gospel. Or could it be a misinterpretation?

I talked to Lisa Burgess at the Ohio Department of Education. I copied and pasted from her email about the scoring of the math test. I have revealed my source, who is yours?

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RiverRat

Apr-23-13 1:28 PM

Harleyrider - " I am thinking you are way off base on much of your comprehending based on your ability to get one post wrong."

Didn't you mean get one post right?

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 1:18 PM

RiverRat, I talked to a teacher that is in charge of implementing the standard. She assured me that I am in fact correct on this. It is not about choosing multiple choice, it is about following their process to the letter or losing points. Nice try, but I suggest you get better sources.

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Harleyrider

Apr-23-13 1:14 PM

RiverRat, you fail to get 1 post with a few sentences right. Why in the world would we expect you to understand the vast volumes of Common Core? I am thinking you are way off base on much of your comprehending based on your ability to get one post wrong.

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RiverRat

Apr-23-13 1:13 PM

"The math testing takes points off if you do the problem wrong. It will not matter that the answer is right."

Not completely accurate: it will take points off it you do not demonstrate an legitimate process of arriving at the right answer. You will also get credit for having the correct answer. This is testing a deeper understanding of the material rather than just guessing the correct multiple choice answer.

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