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New guidelines for protecting your home, self

August 1, 2013

Ohio could soon be the latest state to enact a Stand Your Ground law, giving residents the right to use force to defend themselves in any place they are legally permitted to be....

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NasCarNut

Aug-04-13 2:50 PM

First rule in message board debates..

If you have no other arguments and devolve to name calling, the argument is over. If in the Start Of The Debate you start with name calling, it is pointless to continue.

My mistake, I should have never engaged...

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NasCarNut

Aug-03-13 11:31 AM

The problem with Stand Your Ground laws is that the only excuse you need to fatally shoot someone is simply your statement that you felt afraid that the other person was going to harm you -- not necessarily kill you, just harm you. If there are no witnesses, just you and the dead guy, who is going to argue about whether your fear was just. . Read about the case of Daniel Adkins, killed in Phoenix on April 3 during an argument in a fast food parking lot.

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NasCarNut

Aug-03-13 11:16 AM

Wow, I never considered conservations with my kids "pointless" no matter what their age...maybe you should Listen more to what they're saying ;)

You have a wonderful day :)

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NasCarNut

Aug-03-13 9:14 AM

If it's come to where someone can be gunned downed for things they've said or done in the past, look suspicious to someone etc...WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE...

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clickhere

Aug-03-13 7:20 AM

Asknot....so you need to open up your eyes. That's the youth of today. Sad, but true!

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clickhere

Aug-03-13 7:17 AM

It's not just TM....it's today's youth. Sad but true.

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clickhere

Aug-03-13 7:16 AM

@asknot....in reference to your statement: TM, The ones of him flashing gang signs, bragging about weed, posting a "kill whitey" sign, wanting to make some cash to buy a gun! Yeah, he was a saint in training! Now, my reply is this....Anyone, anyone can look on FB and TWITTER accounts of Marietta's finest, from 12-25. And lets just say I choose 50 kids from Doctors, Lawyers and the Indian Chief. I won't even pick on the so called NOBODIES of this town or the sports teams (we don't want to go that route). Do you have any CLUE to how many of these finest could have or do have pics or comments geared to your statement above? Today's kids have the almighty attitude they are invincible, that sh@$ like in YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE, is COOL. And they post it for all the world to see. And anyone that says my kid or grandkids, neighbor kid or the church pew every Sunday. They all say it/do it at some point. It's common for white boys to call ea other Nig ga. So you need to open up y

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Tessie

Aug-02-13 11:05 PM

(cont.) Say an unbalanced person like GZ who's visiting from Florida doesn't like you following him into a parking lot at night, and doesn't know that the reason is because your car is parked a couple of spaces past his. Let's say it's getting chilly so you use the hood of your sweatshirt to cover your head. Let's say that GZ feels threatened. Is it OK for him to turn around and shoot you? I don't think it's reasonable at all.

Not all CCW permit holders are mentally healthy, law-abiding citizens. For example: If a violent, mentally ill person is taken to a psychiatric facility for a 72 hour hold by law enforcement, and he signs a paper saying he will stay voluntarily for treatment, there's no weapons under disability report filed. There are people in Marietta with a CCW permit who have very violent histories, close to Civil Commitment history. Don't you think that court ordered substance abuse treatment should carry the same weight as court ordered mental illness treatme

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Tessie

Aug-02-13 10:44 PM

Asknot, I'll try to explain what is most troubling about state reciprocity of CCW permits. Let's use George Z as an example, since everyone knows who he is. And let's leave out the case regarding Trayvon Martin. Let's just base the CCW permit or possession of any hand gun for that matter, on Mr. Zimmerman's legal history. He was known to have committed violent offenses against other people. He got court ordered substance abuse treatment as part of his sentencing instead of getting convicted on the original charges. And yet this aggressive, known-to-be-violent, under- the-influence of prescription medication, man is allowed to carry a concealed weapon. And not only can he carry it in Florida, he can carry it in other states. How can you justify this?

Oh and by "carrying in public" I mean carrying a concealed weapon anywhere. Church, Wal-mart, Giant Eagle, the Library, the Little League game.

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 10:37 PM

- The family of Trayvon Martin said Monday that their 17-year-old son had been suspended for possessing traces of marijuana before he was shot to death by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman. Also on Monday, authorities confirmed to the Associated Press that Martin did not have a juvenile offender record.

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 4:56 PM

How's that for balancing out the mud-slinging with some stuff that was in the news.

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 4:54 PM

almost forgot this one...

We also know that Witness No. 9 accused Zimmerman of molesting her when they were children. The relative’s revelation is appalling. What most folks don’t know is that Witness No. 9 made an explosive allegation against her cousin. “I know George. And I know that he does not like black people,” she told a Sanford police officer during a telephone call in which she pleaded for anonymity. “He would start something. He’s a very confrontational person. It’s in his blood. Let’s just say that. I don’t want this poor kid and his family to just be overlooked.” At the end of the call, Witness No. 9 urged the officer to “get character reports from other people and see if he’s ever said anything about black people, about being racist or anything like that because I guarantee you there’s somebody out there who will say it.”

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 4:47 PM

I think it's safe to say that Zimmerman has never been violent or bigoted, Other Than When He Has Been!!! ffs people do some research on all parties involved before you post your garbage about only one...

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 4:28 PM

So a 17 year old skinny kid that does LOVE drugs and is proud about it, couldn't run away from a middle aged chunky guy?

Where do you come up with this sh!t...GZ was 28 yrs. old and weighed 185 according to his booking arrest...as far as drugs, lets look that up...

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clickhere

Aug-02-13 3:00 PM

Oh Tessie.......TM was armed with a CAN OF ICED TEA AND A BAG OF SKITTLES. But GZ didn't know that either. All he knew or thought he knew was a black teen male with a hoodie on was up to no good and on drugs or something. Our neighborhood watch group doesn't tote guns. There's no reason too. I dang guarantee it, if GZ was shot and killed. TM would be a murderer!

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Tessie

Aug-02-13 1:48 PM

In re: GZ & TM. I'm reminded of the saying that one doesn't bring a knife to a gunfight and expect to win. TM had no weapon except his hands and a rock on the ground with which to defend himself against an adult man with a chip on his shoulder, and a gun in his hand. TM was a guest of family living in the complex and his father owned the unit where he was staying. He was not up close to a building or lurking beneath the eves because he "was up to no good", he was there because that's where the sidewalk that he was using was located.

I've lived in big cities and small, nice neighborhoods and not so nice ones. On two different occasions I became a physical victim of an armed person. Once was with a knife held to my neck while my life was threatened, and once with a gun pointed at my head. I did what I needed to do to survive, and then I learned how to protect myself, and how to be aware of my environment, how to be safe. Police exist for a reason.

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Tessie

Aug-02-13 1:35 PM

I'm guessing that the people who disagreed with what I said are gun-toting, boogeyman-behind-every-tree, NRA members.

I never said a person doesn't have the right to defend him or herself in their home or vehicle, when confronted by someone who is clearly going to hurt him/her. In fact I said the opposite. What I object to is going to any public place, and running the risk of being shot, if for example, I take the parking space someone else wants. Extending the Castle Doctrine to include a public place is ridiculous, foolhardy, and dangerous. Extending the CCW privilege to people who just happen to be passing through our state i.e., (reciprocity) is opening a can of worms that is better left unopened.

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 11:59 AM

TM died with no criminal record- hence innocent. GZ on the other hand??....

And he is absolutely a victim- a victim of bad decisions made by GZ- a victim of FL gun laws.

The best the GZ defenders can come up with is he MAY have threw the first punch- that's all you have- so it is on to the character assassination...That's the only way they can justify this in their minds- that he shot a bad guy- so they are making him one...

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 11:57 AM

as in Hoodie was tresspassing

No he wasn't, he had been staying there for close to a month...no trespassing on TM part...

hoodie had been trying to obtain a weapon for some time..pictures of stolen loot in his cell,pics of drugs..kicked from school.

Not any of this was known by GZ till after he shot him...

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jerseymiller

Aug-02-13 11:08 AM

this story should have ended when zimmerman was told to stand down. thats the long and short of it the rest is just BS, and shines a bad light on all civil patrols and gun owners.

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slogoin

Aug-02-13 9:38 AM

Nascar..he wasnt walking town..he was patrolling PRIVATE property..private street..as in Hoodie was tresspassing..doesnt live there or own property in the GATED comm.In trial,,hoodie had been trying to obtain a weapon for some time..pictures of stolen loot in his cell,pics of drugs..kicked from school..parents home..yea..invite your hoodiie friend to stay with your family tonite

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slogoin

Aug-02-13 9:25 AM

Private,gated..property owned by others..hoodie was tresspassing...wannabe cop..patrols said PRIVATE property in a GATED comm where he OWNS prperty.NOT a public street.

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 9:17 AM

GZ chased a kid down, never identified himself...If I was being followed around at night and I can't evade the guy and he gets close enough to put his hands on me I'm probably going to come out swinging, and you bet your a*s I'd call that self defense. Chasing down and putting your hands on people is a no no...

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RealityInTheMOV

Aug-02-13 8:54 AM

Some punk thug jumps me, I'm gonna bust a cap in his ass too.

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NasCarNut

Aug-02-13 8:16 AM

I feel their were enough witnesses that testified that said Z was a coward for the most part!

Yep, a coward who carrys a gun and follows someone b/c HE thinks they look suspicious, procedes to get his a*s kicked (b/c the one being followed has know idea what this guy wants) so he shoots him...just the kind of coward I want walking around in my town...

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