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City needs land for 7th, Pike work

October 23, 2013

The City of Marietta hopes to reach an agreement soon with Marietta College over land the city needs to acquire to add a turn lane at the Seventh, Pike and Greene Street intersection....

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ProudWashCoRes

Oct-23-13 9:22 PM

Armybrat. I asked the owner the same thing, he stated that they had to make the building "sealable" so flood waters can't get in and that everything 4 ft from the floor is removable.

Bigoldbeef: I seem to recall a few years ago they hired a company to sync the light from Putnam St bridge to Pike and Acme.

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Bigoldbeef

Oct-23-13 9:01 PM

How about they spend some of the money on syncing the lights from 2nd street to that intersection so that they all are green at the same time! Marietta has the worst traffic light timing that I have ever seen.

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Tessie

Oct-23-13 8:58 PM

Helper you are about 90% correct. Thanks for not pointing out my misuse of there, instead of their.

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Helper

Oct-23-13 8:03 PM

We need a different mindset on council: one rooted in a concern for individual freedom, one anxious to avoid fixing something that’s not broke. Council should use practical, real world experience to anticipate the long term entanglements and drawbacks that often accompany big money grants.

Yes, you can cite an engineer’s heavy workload. But that doesn’t absolve council its responsibility to jealously guard the property rights of our citizens or to pick apart an engineer’s recommendation to find another way to save hundreds of citizens a daily travel inconvenience.

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Helper

Oct-23-13 8:02 PM

Likewise with the left turn. They were sailing along, fully ready to approve the engineer’s suggestion that the left turn be banned and that people instead drive the more dangerous route: left turn across Pike at BarBCutie, cut behind the pizza place to get to a right turn at Greene across from Speedway. If they had been drawing on their real world experience, if they had had any concern for the inconvenience that all those people driving toward Norwood would experience, they would have told the engineer to find another way. As it was, Dr Frye and many others in Norwood came to council and explained the injury the left turn ban was about to cause. (cont)

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Helper

Oct-23-13 8:02 PM

“Everyone likes to blame council for there decisions and sometimes they are responsible.” At 7th and Green/Pike, this council IS responsible for the project misdirection and the financial pain the city is experiencing.

If they knew, then, that the rights of way were being widened, and if they had been instinctively concerned about the effects on those particular individual owners, they would have asked the engineer, “Ok, whose property are we taking, have they agreed, for what price, and isn’t there another way?” (cont)

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armybrat

Oct-23-13 8:02 PM

Question about the building of the Qdoba restaurant. Is it or is it not in the flood plain? If it is, shouldn't it have needed to be built up above the flood plain.

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BeRight

Oct-23-13 6:35 PM

I say we owe Qdoba a big thank you for that left turn. I guess City council and the other Traffic Gurus are Big fans of Burritos. You would have thought that they would at least temporarily work on the light timing issues to see what happens since they need to wait for the college to extort more money from the City. BTW, why are the areas in front of the Frat Houses, parking lot and Tennis Courts on both sides of the intersections at 4th and Butler yellow curbed for no parking on 4th? There could be at least 30-40 parking spaces there and keep them from parking uptown.

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CluelessOH

Oct-23-13 4:50 PM

$30,000.00 to move some dirt? Where do I sign up for this job? It's no wonder that our taxes keep going up.

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mrhomer

Oct-23-13 2:59 PM

Lester...fiscal restraint is not in this councils dictionary...what I would like to see is a list of every single institution and organization that receives OUR money and more monitoring of how it is being used...or how about just checking to see if the ones they are handing it to are "fiscally responsible"...even that seems to be too much for them to do.

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Tessie

Oct-23-13 1:08 PM

There's no way one engineer has the knowledge base to adequately oversee everything from street construction, to storm sewers, to waterlines, the the Sewer Treatment Plant and on and on. To employ enough engineers with that ability would bankrupt the city. So why not simply contract out the responsibility? It would be more efficient in the long and short term.

Re: the intersection. I'm inviting everyone to stop at the intersection on Greene St, between the Qdoba and Speedway and think about the design. Crazy!

Was the city aware that the Qdoba was going to be as tall as it is when they gave the go ahead to build there? Did they realize how close it will be to the street?

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Tessie

Oct-23-13 1:01 PM

The owner of the new Qdoba said they would take the restaurant to Vienna unless the city agreed to include the Seventh St. left onto Greene St. in the intersection plan. So the city did.

The City of Marietta had more than ample time to purchase the land where the Qdoba is being rapidly built. They could have declared eminent domain at any time on a portion of that property, so that the intersection could be moved east about 50 feet. That would have allowed N & S 7th to be opposite each other, eliminating one problem. There would have been ample room for all the turn lanes to be constructed without encroaching on any other property. Now 7 property owners must be appeased instead of one. Everyone likes to blame council for there decisions and sometimes they are responsible. But how about holding accountable the department that is responsible for review and oversight of the plans, the Engineering Department. Talk about an overworked department! (cont.)

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Walton

Oct-23-13 12:17 PM

This hasn't been well-handled. Why did the city approve a building permit for that intersection if more space was needed? Why remove even a little bit of the most scenic stretch of the road (the Rotary garden and the college soccer fields)? Save some money, put up better signage, fix the lights and leave the intersection alone.

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Baseball

Oct-23-13 9:00 AM

I really don't see how that intersection could be improved. It's an awkward intersection, but it works and is what we are accustomed to. Save your money and leave it alone.

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Lester

Oct-23-13 9:00 AM

Heard last week there is still time to stop this debacle if we can get some new faces on council who have common sense and fiscal restraint! The idiots there now don't care about wasting taxpayer dollars -- even if Mtta doesn't pay the bulk of the cost. They've been told over and over it's a bad plan and our citizens don't want it. And worst of all, it won't make one hair of difference in the number of crashes there. Since they won't listen and seem more concerned with throwing money at the problem than actually fixing it through correct signal timing and traffic law enforcement, we need to get as many of them off council as possible and replace them with representatives with common sense and ears!

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NasCarNut

Oct-23-13 8:24 AM

Didn't the city give MC a street or two way back when, anyone??...I don't feel this work needs done but you'd think MC would remember our generosity when coming up with a dollar amount...

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MURPHY77

Oct-23-13 8:18 AM

Someone better check with Lehman on this one...to go ahead without his ok could be a real mistake especially if he has something to gain from it..and isn't it this way with everything he does?

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voiceofreason1

Oct-23-13 7:39 AM

This project should have been abandoned right after it was proposed. This project is flawed from the start.

Changes to the current traffic light timing and a enforcement of the traffic laws at that location would go a long way to improving this intersection.

Alas, that is not to happen by the looks of this article. This is such a waste of time, money and resources.

It's frustrating when the public is against this project, but those in power seem to have their own agenda--and that doesn't include working on behalf of the people they represent.

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McCabe

Oct-23-13 7:34 AM

And now for the rest of the story. This intersection has been a waste of time and money sence it came to the council table It isn't broke light timing is the answer and that is all. First council tries to make everyone feel like they did us a big favor by letting us make a left turn on to Greene St. Big deal . I don't see how they could even consider entertaining the thought of invoking it's power of eminent domain to acquire the land it will need. Who died and made them God in this city ? taking property rights away from it's own people and busineses. I think this council has and will continue to step on it own people in the future and they all need to be canned. It is a free country and our city not theirs. Just drop this stupid stupid idea ! There is the answer fix it !

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Lizard

Oct-23-13 7:09 AM

We have people like Roger Kalter, who couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag, and Moon Mullen, who is only in office trying to pad his front street failing "restaurant" and build pension years, making these proposals and decisions affecting real people and costing real money. Yes, folks, this is OUR tax payer money going into these projects. And, like the 821 project, it will take forever and cost vastly more than originally planned. It doesn't need to be done! There have been numerous alternate proposals but many of the alternative ideas do not involve lining someone's pockets. We're doomed as a society, locally as well as nationally.

Does anyone really think we have the best and the brightest running this city??

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mrhomer

Oct-23-13 4:59 AM

What a crock of crap...make threats then say you don't want to go there...the entire council needs wiped out.

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