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With violence in national spotlight, school officials discuss protocol

November 16, 2013

A student draws a picture in which figures have knives sticking out of them and tells a classmate if he doesn’t leave him alone, he’ll make the drawing a reality....

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exofDevola

Nov-18-13 7:00 PM

Now and that is a tragedy. It is how things are done.Patents think differently now days the school and teacher are not always backed up when their terrible child misbehaves, they blame it the school for now being about to control his behavior. Nothing happens to the child who acts up and creates chaos, it's a different world today. People blame the school when they don't teach their child how to behave. You cannot say it is all the special needs children or parent 's fault. Tessie is right , there are several categories of special needs and you simply can't lump them all together and say they are the problem for everything,they aren't.

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exofDevola

Nov-18-13 6:50 PM

Jane , there are gen Ed bullies also who disrupt classes, are loud and obnoxious, and down right mean and nasty excuses foe human beings. I don't think you can blame all school violence s and label all the problems in the school system on special needs children. That is comparable to saying all republicans are tea partiers and love Sarah Palin, and all all democrats hate guns and belong to labor unions. You cannot take what is wrong in the schools in the US and blame it on special needs kids. When I was in school, if a child did something terrible at school like let's say beating up a child at recess, you were removed immediately from the school expelled or suspended and did not return. If that happened today, there would be a big stink but it is doubtful the kid would be suspended , at the most he / she would probably end up in ISS ( in school suspension) and that would probably be the maximum unless the child was beaten up had parents who were ready to sue. That's just the way it

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Tessie

Nov-18-13 6:42 AM

There are children (and adults) with all kinds of "special needs" who have an IEP. To lump every child into one "special needs" group is what is absurd Asknot. There's a huge difference between someone who has dyslexia and someone who has significant developmental delays, but both are special needs children. There's a huge difference between a child who has ADHD and a child with oppositional defiant disorder. And there's a huge difference between a child who has simple attention seeking behavior and one who has childhood onset schizophrenia, or a behavioral disorder, or who's angry, who's a bully, who has no skills to cope. All are special needs. Violence is an aberration.

I get what you're saying about the disruption in the classroom. I really do. And you're right that school administrators and teachers have little control over the child's disruption. All parents want what's best for their own child, even if it takes away from other children.

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janeeyre1

Nov-17-13 10:38 PM

Thanks asknot! Tessie you're right I do have a special need. I need to know that the children in our community can go to school and be safe and that they will not be hurt by some kid with mental/emotional problems on way too many meds. I also have special need that they be able to go to public school and not be slighted by the teacher because some special needs kid's IEP dictates that they are more important.

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thegreek

Nov-17-13 5:06 PM

I am glad that for once we are debating the person and their psychological makeup instead of condemning the weapon.

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thegreek

Nov-17-13 5:03 PM

And Josh Brown too. But I think everyone needs to fear God and worship Jesus.

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thegreek

Nov-17-13 5:02 PM

I am typing this from the floor because I fell outta my chair because I agree with Oneill, Asknot and Tessie.

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janeeyre1

Nov-17-13 4:06 PM

birdie999-Sounds like special needs kids to me are the problem. If they're on meds and have IEP's no matter how much trouble or disruptions they cause there's nothing the teachers of school staff can do about it. I f they try to discipline the kids the parents step in and threaten to sue. I wish parents and grandparents would let schools know how tired they are of special needs kids and all their problems stealing the educations away from the rest ofthe kids.

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birdie999

Nov-17-13 2:45 PM

Our grandkids are subjected to disruptive, unruly kids at Waterford too. Same kids repeating out of control behavior while others are trying to learn. Sad and scary times.

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ETTAfication

Nov-17-13 12:13 AM

There are still bullies out there and some kids are rightfully taught to defend themselves if attacked. Now they say "contact" is forbidden, even in defense. I'd be really angry if my kid defended himself, only as required, and then ended up in juvenile court. Some of these fights, scuffles, punches need to be handled the "old way" (paddle or a handshake) and not with suspension or the court system. Sometimes it's hard to determine self defense versus just being nasty, but that's where the paddle AND handshake should be used. Repeaters beware!

God forbid, a kid takes a weapon to school. Then he/she should be sent only to a school where kids are permitted to have weapons...hmmmm, that might be a juvenile detention center or one of those violent nations.

Kids threatening to kill others need some serious attention and they should not be allowed in the general school population. The innocent should not have tolerate that type of behavior when they are at any learning

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janeeyre1

Nov-16-13 3:17 PM

I also agree with ONEILL. Too many parents out there that are using meds as coping tools. Antidepressants don't help or solve anything. They only dull the senses.

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janeeyre1

Nov-16-13 3:15 PM

AMEN JOSHBROWN! Now when kids get in trouble at school all they get as punishment are double the meds!

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JoshBrown

Nov-16-13 2:33 PM

I miss the days when you were to afraid to get in trouble at school because you would get in double trouble when you got home.

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whs1977

Nov-16-13 10:59 AM

You never heard much about the violence, fights and drugs in Warrens system till this year. Now seems like once a week you read something on the Sherriff’s website about something happening there. Heard things was bad, but that was just hearsay. Now it’s out in public makes me wonder what all the old administration swept under the rug.

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janeeyre1

Nov-16-13 10:47 AM

Face it-every young person who has been an attacker at a public school has emotional.mental health issues that put them into the "special needs" category. Did we have problems with violence in schools until the parents of special needs kids started demanding that they be in the public school system? No. How many people have to get hurt before people stop scratching their heads and turing to Dr. Phil-parent up and make things back the way they were.

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janeeyre1

Nov-16-13 10:42 AM

I don't think the problem with violence in public schools has anything to do with religion. It has more to do with mental health professionans-and what they're not doing to help their patients. Isn't it odd that every time an incident of violence happens at a public school, the attacker is some young person with emotional/mental problems who is on all kinds of meds-the majority of which not even their doctor knows what the side effects will be. Add to this the parents of the atttackers who live in total denial and allow them access to weapons and who don't react when serious warning signs occur-because they're on meds themselves and have lost the ability to deal with these problems. We also need to change our mental health system and pass laws that allow mental health professionals to put aside and rights to privacy issues and stop these kids from hurting others. This is why I have always felt that kids with special needs do not belong in public schools.

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Tessie

Nov-16-13 9:31 AM

does not make an expert.

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Tessie

Nov-16-13 9:31 AM

Sarek said, "This is what happens when liberals and the ACLU take God and religion out of schools"

I disagree Sarek. God and religion do not belong in the public school system, a government system. God and religion belong in houses of worship, in people's homes, and in a person's heart.

The problem has nothing to do with God and religion, it has to do with a changing and somewhat unstable society. Parents and the larger community do not instill respect, values, and discipline in children, likely because they didn't get those things either. It isn't the responsibility of the schools or the teachers to do this, it's the parent's responsibility.

Things have gone the route of the story of Henny Penny, who shouted "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!". That is, too many people have catastrophic thinking. Too many people are over-reacting to children's drawings. Just because someone has had training on Person, House, Tree, and other similar things, does not

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Sarek

Nov-16-13 8:20 AM

This is what happens when liberals and the ACLU take God and religion out of schools. Something replaces it and that has been down right stupidity!

Back when parents disciplined their children, when there were two parents in each household, when God was respected and honored in schools, when patriotism was not banned at school events because it might "embarrass" someone's beliefs - kids played cops and robbers with cap guns and we didn't have mass slaughter of children at schools. Gee, any of this make sense??

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newworld

Nov-16-13 7:58 AM

Very happy not to be in the Warren school system. Sounds like unstable conditions!

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Tessie

Nov-16-13 7:24 AM

When my son was young, he drew pictures of Ninja Turtles and Power Rangers and all of them had weapons. He was obsessed with them, as his friends were. None of them were violent kids and none of them are violent adults. It's hard to understand how our schools have come to the point of being the "kid police", and it's hard to understand the suspension part of it, the court's part of it. They are merely acting out what our culture exposes them to and reinforces every time there's a movie or TV show with violence. Glad I'm not raising children these days.

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