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Marietta board talks about new 3rd grade mandate

March 25, 2014

The Marietta City Schools Board of Education discussed changes brought about by the Third Grade Reading Guarantee and how it would affect day-to-day education in the district....

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NasCarNut

Mar-25-14 6:48 AM

, if a third grade student does not score at least a 392 on the Ohio Achievement Assessment in reading, they cannot be promoted to fourth grade.

Makes perfect sense, what parent would want their child to be passed along if they could not read??...

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NasCarNut

Mar-25-14 7:24 AM

Students that fail the test can still be promoted to the fourth grade in other subjects if they meet attendance and performance goals, 

If they can't read how well will they do in other subjects??...reading is requied in every subject is it not??...

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tingette

Mar-25-14 8:03 AM

The law sounds a little whacky. If you Don'r pass reading you can still be promoted.

What is the reason for the law? I think it means ...no pass...stay in 3rd grade.

Promotion is probably not the correct term if you pass someone who failed. Maybe ...assigned.

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armybrat

Mar-25-14 8:34 AM

Happy4me, I understand you and your child. I was a test freezer, meaning my mind went blank at the start of a test. I could take a oral or essay test and do fine. Teachers need to take into considerations about this sort of fear.

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Animallover

Mar-25-14 8:36 AM

I'm a parent of a 3rd grader that has not passed this test yet. The teachers put a lot of pressure on these kids to pass this test. To the point my child was so afraid of taking this test. She is an A/B student and works hard but struggles in reading. This is something we working on every day. She receives extra tutoring offered by the school and works hard in the evenings on reading. We hope she passes this time!

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exofDevola

Mar-25-14 10:54 AM

I think a lot of people are just bad standardized test takers. I think that is the why people spend a small fortune on those College prep courses for the ACT Or SATs. I know educators think that those tests are so important, an indicator to how a student will do in college . There are so many exceptions to the rule, it's too bad colleges always say they won't put as much emphasis on it, but that never seems to be.

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Lizard

Mar-25-14 11:01 AM

Why not just get a specific former teacher (who shall remain nameless) to show everyone how to "teach" to the test. That's all we have to do is give a copy of the actual test to a teacher and have them teach the kids to pass the test. Isn't that what's done these days?

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exofDevola

Mar-25-14 12:18 PM

New world, children know what is a regular test and what is a test they used to call an achievement test. It is what teachers have to teach to now, the test. There is a big movement in schools to have everyone accountable to a certain standard, some people just do not test well, and some children can read but not well. They struggle and tutoring and special help is needed. I am surprised at your comment on any school related issue since you just posted on the Lawrence school site , to the notion public schools should be closed and the little brats should be home schooled. Now that is a real intelligent opinion.

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Animallover

Mar-25-14 4:39 PM

Jim Long I do believe something is very wrong with you. These are children you are talking about. I sure hope you’re not a parent. I would love to be more hands on in the school but I have a thing called a job that pays the bills. My child goes to school all day then to tutoring and then has at least 1.5 hrs of homework plus dances, tumbles and plays baseball. She is amazing regardless if she passes some dumb state test. Your right she is special because she has a great big heart that keeps going with a smile.

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MaryPoppins

Mar-25-14 6:12 PM

First off I think tingette said the law was whacky not the child.

I find it real hard to believe a child can get A's and B's in reading and cannot pass the test without something else going on.....

UNLESS the teachers are testing and retesting to give the children a chance to get A's and B's. Is that right?I am going to bet the third grade was NOT the first time the teachers or the parent knew a child was weak in reading.

The cognitive achievement tests are given in K-8; so I am betting the K teacher knew it then the 1st grade teacher; then the second grade teacher; and probably the child was eligible for special reading classes

So by law if the child cannot pass the 3rd grade test they should not be promoted. Let's do the kid a favor and give them the needed assistance even if it DOES wake the parents up.

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MaryPoppins

Mar-25-14 6:14 PM

I am curious; did the parents who posted about their children not passing the test yet; know in K,1st, and 2nd grades their children were weak in reading? Did they receive addition services at school?

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MaryPoppins

Mar-25-14 6:18 PM

In the old days they called the class reading center. Not sure what it is now. If a child was identified as low in reading, they went to reading center to get additional help.

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oldhickory

Mar-25-14 8:09 PM

1) It is quite possible to achieve good grades without being able to read well. If a child is dyslexic, reading can be a painful process. Some years ago, I took a class at Marietta College with a student that suffered from severe dyslexia. He stated that in order to compensate for not being able to read he became an auditory learner. His ability to hear and remember was astounding. He might start a question to the professor by saying “Earlier in the course you stated…” or something similar. He aced the class without ever reading the material.

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oldhickory

Mar-25-14 8:09 PM

2) I do not profess to be an expert on reading programs but one that I used with a student is the Stephenson Reading Program. At first I thought this is the silliest thing I had ever seen but when I tried it I was amazed. The student quickly began to read and comprehend the meaning of words for the first time in his life. Above all else, he became a big fan of reading. It was as if a door hiding riches were unlocked and he wanted all he could get. The program is an option in the Marietta City Schools for special needs students.

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oldhickory

Mar-25-14 8:10 PM

3) Happy for Me, do not be put off by Mr. Long’s negativity. Investigate the program to see if it could be beneficial for your child.

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MaryPoppins

Mar-25-14 8:36 PM

I am not 100% sure, but I think I have heard that some children have the tests read to them..

Even some children have scribes to write down there responses.

I am not in favor of retention. I am not in favor of parents holding their kids back for athletics.

The State came up with this standard for schools to follow. They seem to come up with some "whacky" ways for teachers to teach but they never come up with ways for schools to fund a proper program. Yet we continue to re-elect the bums that have produced unconstitutional school funding; we applaud a governor who has filled his coffers at our expense.

Our kids are the ones suffering, but its always easier to blame the teacher.

Discipline your child, feed them, send them to bed then send them to school ready to learn; replace legislators, and quit all this nonsense of new stuff. 3 R's.

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MaryPoppins

Mar-25-14 9:13 PM

Well said oneil

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exofDevola

Mar-25-14 9:27 PM

Well said, Oneill, Mary p . Happy 4 me, you know your child, so you keep fighting for him. I'm a volunteer too, and I constantly read tests to kids that have a problem. Since this thirds grade test is based on reading, probably not , but maybe portions of it can be read to him. Is there a school psychologist / counselor anywhere on the premises ? If so in my school, we have counselors talk to the stressed students , since the upset ones and stressed over a test, they tend not to do well . Maybe the teacher could help, if no counselor exists. What we need is concerned parents, and you are one. In my state , there is always a second date for kids to retake the tests. I have seen many stressed out kids do wonderfully well in the summer. Good luck to you and your little boy, and don't listen to all those meanies. Maybe the series old hickory suggested will help.

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MaryPoppins

Mar-25-14 9:35 PM

re-post

I am curious; did the parents who posted about their children not passing the test yet; know in K,1st, and 2nd grades their children were weak in reading? Did they receive addition services at school?

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exofDevola

Mar-25-14 10:31 PM

I think it worked better the way it used to be too, happy, I'm so glad you know your child strengths as well as weaknesses. It is so easy on this site full of people that are ready to tell you exactly what you are doing wrong. Well you care for your child and his education , so you will go far. My oldest child hated reading and English also, daydreamed in class and is now a manager at a chemical lab. Don't ever give up, it will get better. Someday you will look back and think why did you ever worry.

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