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Sheriff: Student a gun enthusiast

Guns in MC student’s car because he was moving them to new storage area

By Brad Bauer, bbauer@mariettatimes.com
POSTED: February 8, 2008

Article Poll

Do you think authorities overreacted to the discovery of guns on the Marietta Colleg campus?
No, their actions were appropriate Not the college, but no criminal charges should have been filed Yes, the student should not have been suspended indefinitely

Police said Thursday there is no evidence of a “sinister plot” surrounding a Marietta College student charged this week after guns and ammunition were found in his vehicle on campus.

Washington County Sheriff Larry Mincks said student Robert L. Walker II, 22, is continuing to cooperate with detectives and that he shed some light on why the guns were in his vehicle.

“He basically was having a storage and transportation problem,” Mincks said. “He told us he was keeping (the guns) at a friend’s residence. The friend became concerned about some break-ins in his neighborhood so (Walker) gathered the guns and ammunition and was going to transport them to his grandmother’s home (in Summit County) at his next opportunity.”

Investigators said the guns – a rifle, shotgun, handgun and parts to another rifle – were in the vehicle for about a week before a campus parking enforcement officer noticed them in Walker’s Jeep, which was parked in a college lot at the rear of 211 Fourth St.

“He left the guns in his vehicle and as far as we’ve been able to determine there is nothing sinister, no sinister plot. He appears to be a gun enthusiast, and I have no reason not to believe him,” Mincks said.

Still, Walker was charged Wednesday with a fourth-degree felony concealed carry violation and he remains suspended from the college campus.

Washington County Prosecutor Jim Schneider said Walker would not have been charged if he had a concealed-carry permit, although he still would have been in violation of campus policy.

Schneider said the criminal charges were brought because the guns were improperly stored in the vehicle. He said guns and ammunition cannot be readily accessible to the driver.

In most instances, Schneider said, guns and ammunition need to be stored in separate compartments of a vehicle for legal transport. He said he is going to argue there are no separate compartments in a Jeep and that the gun was “concealed at the ready” because it was stored within the reach of the driver’s seat with ammunition.

“I know we are splitting fine lines and hairs, for sure. But it doesn’t mean a crime didn’t happen,” Schneider said.

He said the best option is to let a jury decide the case.

Marietta resident Philip Shiflett, 54, said he is bothered by the charges being filed. Shiflett is a Fort Harmar Gun Club executive committee member and an NRA-certified shooting instructor.

“In this case, it really sounds like a stretch,” Shiflett said, adding too many people are quick to pass judgment about gun collectors.

“I don’t know anything about this young man. Maybe he has problems, and if he does, something should be done to help him get a handle on that,” Shiflett said. “But I think the bigger problem is that there are too many people who aren’t gun collectors and who think that if you want a gun, one should be enough.”

Shiflett said it would not be uncommon for him or other club members to have several guns and several thousand rounds of ammunition in their own vehicles.

Local attorney and gun enthusiast Bill Burton said he is concerned by the actions taken this week against Walker.

“This seems like it is a tremendous over-reaction. This week I’ve seen prayers on campus and kids afraid to go on campus,” Burton said. “If he violated a campus gun policy, I’m not opposed to the college putting him through their standards. But as a Marietta College graduate, I’m offended that they would ban him from the school so quickly. It doesn’t sound like he had due process. It seems the college and the students think that if you have guns, you are inherently dangerous. But there are those of us who carry guns and who are not dangerous.”

At a meeting between college administrators and more than 150 students Monday night, some students expressed concern over Walker’s behavior prior to the discovery of the guns. They discussed an incident in which he brought a bullet to class and a reference on his MySpace blog to his willingness to fight some students.

Mincks said Summit County sheriff’s officials are still examining one gun collected Wednesday from Walker’s grandmother’s residence. The Washington County Sheriff’s Office requested the search of the home after an interview with Walker. The student authorized the search, in which 15 guns were taken, Mincks said.

The gun in question is suspected of being fully automatic, which would make it illegal to possess unless a federal permit was issued.
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oldP33
02-10-08 11:21 PM
Need I remind this group that Howard Korn was the one who activated the reverse 911 system for a bag of tools? Need I also remind that - in MY opinion - the president of the college is a drunk. I am an alum of MC, and in my experiences, the college has the proverbial tight hind end. Korn, from my understanding, was forced out of the Sheriff's office. The campus police department is rather funny to watch. The only real officer is a younger gentleman who has been persecuted ever since he volunteered for the department while in high school. NRA - thanks for sticking up for this guy.

surprised
02-10-08 4:26 PM
For the most part Mtta College kids are rich, spoiled and over-dramatic. Come on, you are going to a college in a rural Ohio town where people really work, they also hunt (guns) and collect guns, yet when something happens they stand around and cry and shake like they are the only people that matter. The kid made a mistake but he doesn't deserve to go to prison for it.

Call your Daddy and have him come and get you!

THETRUTH
02-10-08 11:51 AM
THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WACKOS, LOOK HOW MANY WACKOS RESPONDED TO THIS ARTICLE. THE QUESTION IS; HOW DO WE RESPOND TO THEM, AND IS THIS KID ACTUALLY A WACKO. MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE GUNS ARE NOT WACKOS, AND GUNS ARE TRANSPORTED THRU MC EVERY DAY.

IsaacEastwood
02-09-08 6:29 PM
Yeah, it's obvious the college doesn't really care. They don't even arm their cops but yet have wackos running around campus with guns.

THETRUTH
02-08-08 11:35 PM
and they still dont trust him with a gun

Parrothead
02-08-08 11:08 PM
FYI - Howard Korn, the cheif of the college police force, was a paid Washingtom County Deputy before taking the position at the college.

THETRUTH
02-08-08 10:48 PM
ISAACEASTWOOD- MC OFFICALS DONT REALLY BELIEVE ANYTHING LIKE VIRGINIA TECH WILL EVER HAPPEN HERE. IF YOU THOUGHT A GUNMAN WAS COMING TO YOUR HOUSE WOULD YOU LIVE IN A TOWN WHERE THE COPS HAD NO GUNS? NO WAY; IF THE COLLEGE WAS REALLY SERIOUS THEY WOULD ARM THIER STATE CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICERS

THETRUTH
02-08-08 10:42 PM
tiger63 MC POLICE IS A POLICE DEPARTMENT NOT A SECURITY GUARD GROUP. THEY MAKE ARRESTS AND TAKE PEOPLE TO JAIL. IF PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SAFTEY AT MC,AND AFRAID OF A GUNMAN THEN YOU WOULD ARM THE PEOPLE PROTECTING THE COLLEGE. I DONT KNOW OF ONE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT IN OHIO UNARMENED. PRIVATE OR PUBLIC.

IsaacEastwood
02-08-08 8:15 PM
No one carries these kinds of weapons just for the heck of it. Of course he's going to 'say' that he was 'just transporting' them, why would he say anything else? Until the college can show me they actually care about safety in their region, I'm staying clear. I don't want to end up like Virginia Tech.

tiger63
02-08-08 8:11 PM
Am I wrong or did I see either here or on the WTAP site that this young man had been spoken to by college officials PRIOR to this incident and informed that no firearms were allowed on campus? If so this would be an out an out case of one ignoring the rules.

Yes, perhaps the young man was moving them from one place to another. Knowing of college policy would the smart thing not have been to go to college officials and say.....

"The guy who has been keeping these for me can't do it any longer, and I can't get up to my grandmother's until ....... Do you have facilities where these can be kept safe until I have a chance to move them? I'd appreciate it."

Somehow I believe the situation would have been a lot less volatile than what has resulted from the campus police making their discovery.

P.S. Most college security people do not carry guns, in both rural and city areas.

Concernedmom
02-08-08 7:15 PM
To lpiavdmp what in the world are you talking about? If you want to ramble at least have it make sense. I am on the kids side. Get a grip if your going to point out something make it make sense. DUH.

BuckeyeGal
02-08-08 7:13 PM
Is anyone else amazed that a "poor" college student would have such a wide, expensive collection? I am wondering how it was aquired? Was it inherited? I think I could understand how he became in possession of so much at such a young age. Please keep in mind that if he says he bought them, then legally, he would have spent big, big bucks in four years while at Marietta College, a rather expensive school. Regardless, he should have assumed the responsibility the law imposes.

electech01
02-08-08 6:56 PM
By chance, Did anyone notice that Mr. Walker did not have a comment or any input into this story? From my personal experience with the reporter, is this article to be "really" believed? Until we hear from Mr. Walker, or someone on his behalf, we need to stand down on the judgement.

THETRUTH
02-08-08 6:26 PM
NOT ARMING YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ABSURD PERIOD. THEY ARE YOUR FIRST REASPONDERS IN ANY INCIDENT THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IN THIS FORUM. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT MC KNOWS THIS AND ARE USING THIS INCIDENT TO PROVE A POINT. IF THE KID WAS PARKED ON COLLEGE PROPERTY THEN HE VIOLATED THE COLLEGE CREED THAT HE AGREED TO UPHOLD. BY AGREEING TO THE CREED HE GIVES UP SOME OF HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THAT HE WOULD HAVE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. FROM WHAT I HAVE READ IT STILL DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A CRIME.

UnclePete
02-08-08 5:40 PM
"in Walker’s Jeep, which was parked in a college lot at the rear of 211 Fourth St."

Sounds like a bad judgement call to me, but certainly not worthy of a felony charge.

Parrothead
02-08-08 4:55 PM
Please disregard my last post. I had missed where it was reported that the Jeep was in the lot in the rear of 211 Fourth street. My appologies.

Parrothead
02-08-08 4:39 PM
Could someone at the Marietta Times please respond to me and everyone else if the vehicle these guns were found in was parked on the street or in a college owned parking lot?

If it was on the street, your paper and the wording of today’s poll question are just adding to the hysteria and over-reaction to this. Fact being if the vehicle was on the street it was then NOT on college property and thus it would not fall under the college’s jurisdiction.

May we please have some open, honest and complete reporting on this and not just sensationalism? I hate to break it to you but reporting is not dictation, sometimes you have to do some digging to get to the truth and not just put what is freely told to you onto paper.

LouMack
02-08-08 2:03 PM
This boy may indeed have been transporting the guns out of his friends house (for a week?) with no terroristic thoughts in mind. But come on, this is 2008 and even Junior High Students and probably grade school students know that weapons (even fake) are not permitted on school campuses. This is not new! What if another student with mental health problems saw the guns and decided to take them from his Jeep and used them to shoot people, would this student still have not been liable for having the guns in plain site in his jeep? How many school shootings does it need to take for everyone, including gun enthusiasts to support safety in and around our schools. Should we ask the kids at Virginia Tech? I would also expect a "gun enthusiast" to know how to properly transport guns. A sealed package or transporting guns and ammo seperately would have been a safer bet for everyone.

hondaxrider
02-08-08 1:35 PM
TheTruth:"THE REASON THIS IS A BIG DEAL IS BECAUSE MC POLICE DONT HAVE GUNS! THEY SHOULD BE CARRYING GUNS."

WHAT?! Not sure were that fits into this. MC police do NOT need to be armed. If your thinking that would server as a deterent, you are mistaken.

THETRUTH
02-08-08 1:12 PM
THIS IS BLOWED OUT OF PROPORTION BECAUSE MC POLICE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING EXCITING TO DO, AND THEY DONT HAVE GUNS. THEY DON'T ENFORCE TRAFFIC ON THE CITY STREETS. WAS THE CAR ON A CITY STREET OR IN A COLLEGE OWNED PARKING LOT? THE REASON THIS IS A BIG DEAL IS BECAUSE MC POLICE DONT HAVE GUNS! THEY SHOULD BE CARRYING GUNS, BUT THIS KID SHOULDNT BE PUNISHED TO PROVE A POINT TO THE LIBERAL GROUP OF PEOPLE RUNNING THE COLLEGE. ARM THE MC POLICE BEFORE SOMTHING BAD HAPPENS, AND DONT PUNISH THIS KID FOR THE SINS OF OTHERS

Parrothead
02-08-08 12:19 PM
I hope that none of you that have judged and convicted this young man already ever make a mistake or have any of your actions taken the wrong way and find yourselves being harassed as he is. If it does happen though I want to see if you are then as quick to condemn yourself and as pleased that the authorities involved and the public are as closed minded and quick to judge you. I am not saying that nothing needs done in this case, but come on people. Stop worrying about the speck in the other person’s eye while you have a plank in your own.

I am just hoping I get called and picked to serve on his jury. Our system of justice states one is innocent until it is proven BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Do not worry Bob, out of twelve people there will be at least one rational person who will see that reasonable doubt can not be argued away in your case.

MikeMC06
02-08-08 12:12 PM
This Morning’s headline on CNN--

”A female student shot two other women and herself Friday morning inside a classroom on the campus of Louisiana Technical College”

So I am thinking this was not an overraction.

Nothing against Bob, he is a good guy and just made a mistake, but these are the times that we live in, and our campuses must be kept safe. Bob should have taken these guns to campus police for strorage not hold them in his car for a week --- end of discussion.

Campus Police has (or did 2 years ago when I was there) a gun safe and it was made very clear that that was the only place that guns were to be stored.

As for the question of jusdiction, Marietta Campus Police and Marietta Police have joint or shared jusidiction on the roads bordering/running through campus.

I think a felony charge is a bit trumped up, but you can not be too careful anymore

Mikey7363
02-08-08 12:12 PM
Seeing in the news today that 2 college students were shot to death in Louisiana is more the reason why people are going to react strongly when something like this happens.

lpiavdmp
02-08-08 11:24 AM
And concernedmom what about when I drive down fourth street do I have to take an alternate route to get from campus since I am not a student and state and federal law do not prohibit it? Suddenly a 22 year old student revokes this right? I suppose he should have parked in the Food 4 Less parking lot and risked getting towed to be in compliance with you idea of safety even though if his intent was to fire on the student body this paper thin college policy would have a poor attempt at actually providing safety.

lpiavdmp
02-08-08 11:19 AM
Imagine that he had all those guns and ammo in his car to transport them someplace from where he was storing them and not to massacre students on campus. What a different and reasonable conclusion from what everyone jumped to and overeacted about. I acutally lol'ed to my wife before I left to go to school when everyone said they were scared to walk acrossed campus and all of the parents were posting on WTAP about how could Marietta College not have cancelled every class and declared a state of emergency lol. ahhh the sky is falling it's the end of the world...wait it's not...uh...darn...so that is bad that I just trampled 50 people to get to me car?

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