Payday lenders fight 36 percent cap on interest
Washington County a magnet for businessesBy Sam Shawver, sshawver@mariettatimes.com
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Ohio payday lending business facts¯ The Ohio General Assembly approved payday lending at the current 391 annual percentage rate (two-week loans at 15 percent interest) in 1995.
¯ Payday lenders say the 391 percent APR is misleading as the loans are only short term and amount to $15 per $100 loan.
¯ Payday lenders say there is a need for short-term small loans that banks and other lending institutions do not provide.
¯ There are now 1,638 payday lending storefronts across the state.
¯ Washington County is among the top three Ohio counties for the number of payday lenders (three) per 10,000 residents.
¯ There were 19 payday lenders in Washington County in 2007, two less than in 2006.
¯ House Bill 333, and a mirror bill in the Ohio Senate, seek to cap the payday lending APR at 36 percent, prohibit a payday lender from making a loan to a borrower who has outstanding loans from any payday lender, and create a statewide database of loans by payday lenders.
¯ Payday lenders say capping the rate at 36 percent APR equates to only $1.38 interest on each $100 loan and would effectively drive them out of business.
¯ HB 333 has the support of Gov. Ted Strickland and the mayors of Ohio’s largest cities.
Sources: Ohio Coalition for Responsible Lending www.ohiodebttrap.org; Policy Matters Ohio, www.policymattersohio.org; and the Ohio Legislative Service Commission, www.lsc.state.oh.us, and Darryl Dever, lobbyist for Ohio’s payday lending industry.
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Have you ever utilized a payday lending service?House Bill 333, and a mirror bill recently developed in the Senate, would lower the annual percentage rate (APR) that payday lenders can charge to 36 percent. Gov. Ted Strickland recently announced he favors the cap, as do mayors from several of the state’s largest cities.
Supporters of HB 333 say the lenders are currently able to charge an APR that works out to 391 percent.
“We don’t want to be unreasonable, and I’m not saying we wouldn’t consider a compromise, but 391 percent APR is too high,” said Bill Faith, legislative chairman for the Ohio Coalition for Responsible Lending, a Columbus-based, 241-member group of advocates for fair small loan lending practices.
“I think most people look at payday lending like I did—yes, people may be getting overcharged, but it’s not happening that much,” Faith said. “But in reality, people are getting caught in this lending cycle payday after payday. We just want them to have options.”
Darryl Dever, a Columbus businessman and lobbyist for Ohio’s payday lenders, who now operate 1,638 storefronts across the state, said the coalition is “crying wolf to force us out of business.”
He said the notion that payday lenders are charging 391 percent APR is deceptive because the money is not being loaned on an annual basis.
“That figure just feeds a lot of emotionalism. These loans are not for an entire year; they’re two-week loans at 15 percent interest per $100 borrowed,” Dever explained.
“If that rate is cut to 36 percent APR, the lender would only be able to charge about $1.38 for a $100 loan,” he said. “That would put all of these lenders out of business.”
Payday lenders provide a viable service to Ohioans who need small, short-term loans to cover emergencies or pay bills that come due before payday, Dever said. He said he has received more than 26,000 letters from people who want the service to continue.
“There is no crisis, and more than 90 percent of borrowers are paying their loans on time,” he said.
Paul Wallace, supervisor at locally owned Insta-Cash Payday Loan and Check Cashing, 1009 Washington Blvd. in Belpre, agrees. The firm has been in business since 1999.
“I guarantee that any retail or grocery store in this area deals with far more bounced checks than we do,” he said. “We write off less than 1 percent of the checks we receive.”
Wallace said his average customer makes around $31,000 a year and often just needs a small loan to pay a bill or meet some other need prior to payday.
“We can tell if someone may have a problem paying off a loan,” Wallace said. “That’s one reason we require people to bring in their phone bills. We can look at information like that and tell who might be a risk.
“We probably turn down about 10 percent,” he said. “If you don’t meet the criteria, you can’t get the money.”
Wallace said something often overlooked by critics of payday lending is that the interest rate on the short-term loans hasn’t changed much since Ohio approved the process in 1995.
Attorneys Robin Bozian and Dennis Harrington with Southeastern Ohio Legal Services in Marietta estimate they handle 15 to 20 cases a year from people who get trapped in the lending cycle.
“Our halls aren’t flooded with cases—but most of the people we see (for these cases) are in a lot of trouble,” Bozian said. “The majority of payday borrowers want to pay back their loans, but they really can’t afford it.”
“I haven’t seen anyone getting a payday loan who doesn’t have some kind of vulnerability,” Harrington added. “I never see the average working Joe needing one of these loans.”
Bozian said the legal aid agency recently dealt with an elderly man who owed five payday loans he couldn’t afford. She said although borrowers cannot receive additional loans from the same lender until the current loan is paid off, many will simply go to other lenders for a new loan.
“I just think they’re capitalizing on the people who can least afford these loans. Most are on fixed incomes, they need money, and they don’t look at the long-term effect,” Bozian said.
Washington County has 19 payday lender storefronts, down two from the number operating in 2006. The county is second in the state with 3.25 lenders per 10,000 residents.
Wallace said one reason there are so many in this area is because West Virginia has banned payday lending and many customers are crossing the Ohio River to obtain short-term loans.
“I would say about 75 percent of our customers come from West Virginia,” he said.
Ohio Rep. Jennifer Garrison, D-Marietta, said she supports HB 333 and believes 36 percent is a fair rate of return.
She said HB 333 also makes people with any outstanding short-term loans ineligible for more.
“The bill sets up a statewide database that lenders could check before approving a loan,” Garrison said.
She said legislative leaders are hoping to have a payday lending bill ready for an up or down vote before the General Assembly takes its summer break at the end of May.
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cindyjo
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05-15-08 11:43 PM
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As a matter of fact I think they should be legal in WVA too....ya know..what about fincance charges on house and bank and car loans...its the same thing only they are even higher...duh...just leave people alone and take care of things that are really bad in the world like child abuse and elder abuse and care and elders who have barely 2 dimes to rub together and animal abuse and inflation and drunk drivers and god theres a million other things that need to be addressed of much more importance than people getting payday loan to get htru till the next. Not everyone has rich relatives or friends or whatever that they can borrow when needed...and not everyone has money sitting in the bank if they need it...my family for the most part depends on my pay check...let me keep my job
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cindyjo
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05-15-08 11:37 PM
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I actually work at a payday loan place myself and I love my job! Let me tell people something that dont like payloans...The simple fact of the matter is number 1This is america!!! Let people choose on their own..they get in a jam then its their fault not the gov..not the payday stores..only them...we are there to help people who need it and all of the customers know the finace charges its not like a big suprise and if they didnt agree with it dont get a payday loan its that simple...your talkin about taking jobs away from people not just a few either ..then some of those people who cant find another job...what do they do..welfare and unemployment...is that good..I dont think so...and the whole point is there so much more bad things going on in the world ..grow up and get your priorities straight fo cryin out loud ...if you dont agree with payday loans...the simple solution to you is DOnt get one! But there are those who need it...and there are those who will lose jobs
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tekiamacaw
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05-01-08 4:08 PM
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to noto333. We should all have a choice. If yoiu don't want or need to use a payday loan company don't. Just like I don't want to use the Lions Den Adult book store (sex Shop) or what ever it is or the local Paraphenilla shop (spelled it wrong) but I like knowing I have the choice. I do agree with you. I know a Older lady retired who has in excess of $38,000.00 in her bank account but would rather go to a local payday loan store and borrow as it is cheaper than getting penalized for using her own money as it is in a CD. LET THE CHOICE BE OURS.
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tekiamacaw
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05-01-08 4:01 PM
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If you are going to vote against the payday loan companies then be it only against the payday loan companies. A lot of us may like Keno and would like to see it passed but I wouldn't want to pass one thing knowing that by doing so it may hurt something else that we didn't even know we voted for or against. The government has I'm sure their own purpose for closing down the payday loans and I'm sure its not about the welfare of anyone, personally I think (my opion) they have found a way to make more money offering the same service under different title. Please read the entire bill and ask yourself if this is the kind of government that we want to repesent us. I don't. I don't like being lied to or tricked. Thanks for listening.
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tekiamacaw
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05-01-08 3:53 PM
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I am not from your area but I noticed your comments and had to include mine. I ask that you please take a moment and read the entire house bill that pertains to this before you make up your minds. Payday loan companies are no different than any other business. If you have a need and decide to use one that is your choice. If you do not want to use one that is also your choice. Our choice is the issue. We are adults and do try to live within our means and for the most part we do but unexpected things do come up and we should be allowed to have that choice. Government shouldn't be allowed to chose for us. Also the manner in which this bill is being passed is amazing. The Gov. Ted Strickland put it on the coat tails of another bill as he knew by itself it may get over turned. So he stuck on with the bill for Keno. So if you like to gamble and vote for yes for Keno then you automatically have voted to cap the interest rates for the payday lends which will put them out of business. Cont.
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Noto333
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05-01-08 3:46 PM
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To:oneness 1-Did you ever think that the reason that your son can't get one is that we don't want to lend to military because they have no "want" to pay us back? To ladynoog: You are discriminating innocent people by thinking that it has to do with drugs. I know single mothers, doctors, college students and even lawyers that need pay day services. To Samyo-you want to ban pay day industries but are you going to be the one to step up and tell a 21 year old single mother who just lost her husband in Iraq that we are taking away her choice to get money to pay for formula when she has no job, no bank account and only a measly social security check that doesn't even cover her rent? Someone please tell me where I am suppose to get money from when i need it when credit unions won't help me, regular banks won't help me and I have no family to help me. My friends are struggling just to put gas in their cars to get to work and have no extra means to help me.
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ladynoogs
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04-30-08 2:02 PM
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sorry BuckeyeGAL i wrote Buckeye girl again :) oops.
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ladynoogs
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04-30-08 2:01 PM
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buckeyegirl...i didnt say it NEVER happened that way. I'm sure drug users do use them. I was trying to say that not everyone does and someone ma get into the habit of using them due to an emergency and then get caught in the cycle. Maybe some Habitual users of these places are drugies. but using payday lenders isnt enough cause for the law enforcement to look into these people, that would be a violation of thier rights. As for the lenders.. they dont care what people use them for, as long as they get thier money the dont care. Thats half the problem. I wasnt attacking you i was stating my opinion and an example of how it can happen without drugs being the cause.
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BuckeyeGal
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04-30-08 8:36 AM
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Hey Ladydoogs, it's Buckeye G-A-L! And I wasn't suggesting everyone that uses lenders are drug dealers. I simply implied that maybe payday lenders and the drug task force may have customers in common. I just emptied a rental unit that had family and friends using the payday lenders and four were on the indictment list yesterday for drugs, five others are currently in jail for drugs, so gimme a break if I think there may be a slight connection!
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troyinohio
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04-30-08 12:00 AM
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90 day loan. Sorry.
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troyinohio
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04-29-08 11:59 PM
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I have uses the service once or twice due to an unexpected hardship. I paid it back and went on my way. All good. If you don't abuse it, it is a real help. You don't have to worry about getting so low in your accounts to risk high returned check charges which would have been more than the loan fees. The real problem: Try borrowing a little amount from your bank. Most won't touch you for a small amount. I tried to get a 90 loan once and you would have thought I was asking for a million. Didn't happen even though I had a long and good history with my bank, they just didn't do "small" loans. The cost to borrow is anything has gotten way out of hand. Why are we focusing on just this service. At least they were there when I needed them.
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ladynoogs
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04-29-08 9:46 PM
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i dont think they need to be banned, but i think they need to have tighter regulations on the fees they can charge and full disclousure of what happens if you dont pay up and what the fees are. Budgeting is the best thing to do, and after 12 years of marriage my husband and i have managed to control and live within our means. But sometimes even when you live within your means there could be circumstances arise out of your control when you may need emergency money, and not everyone has family like mine who can help out in those cases (and we always pay them back). Dont judge people who use these places... but try to educate them on the dangers of it. It should be a last resort ONLY and then be careful and forwarned that it can get expensive and habit forming if your not careful. Like in everything else MODERATION MODERATION AND MODERATION. personally i advise against it.. but i'm not gonna dog those who use them in emergencies.
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hockeypuck
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04-29-08 8:46 PM
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Say what you want, but all I am reading is people want to eliminate jobs in Ohio. Don't complain when jobs leave because of your bias.
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oneness1
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04-29-08 6:47 PM
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My son served in the military and they weren't even allowed to go to payday lenders. The military realized what a trap these places are. I wonder has anyone ever heard of living within your means and budgeting? This is a great way to avoid such places and I also think payday lenders should be banned in Ohio.
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Curious
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04-29-08 6:47 PM
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The people who use these the most are probably the ones who can least afford it and do not understand the consequences of their borrowing against future earnings.
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ladynoogs
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04-29-08 5:45 PM
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buckeye girl.. when my husband and i used them when we were dumb and young we first borrowed to pay an late electric bill. then what happened was we got our check to pay it back and then rent was due so we had to turn right around and get another loan to pay rent.. and thus the vicious cycle started and the outragous fees. What happens is you start to steal from Peter (your bills due) to pay Paul (the payday lende) then you have to borrow from Paul (payday lender) to pay Peter (your bills). Until finally we sucked it up and asked for help and got out of it. In a way it is like a gambling addiction.... you spend money to get money but then you loose the money so you spend more in hopes to get out of the hole you dug and so on and so forth. Just because someone uses a payday lender doesnt mean they are drug dealers.. just people down on thier luck who dont have money or a way to get money outside this payday lender.
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BuckeyeBill
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04-29-08 5:37 PM
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Payday lending is nothing more than legalized loan sharking. People who use it cannot manage their money. It needs to be banned.
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BuckeyeGal
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04-29-08 12:29 PM
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My husband was in a conversation with a person interviewed in this article and is said to have compared pay day lending as an addiction like that to ******e. Some people borrow, pay back, borrow, pay back. A vicious cycle. These are the people I think should be looked into a little more. There can't be that many emergencies in between paychecks in any person's life. Perhaps the money is used for drugs? Sell the drugs, repay the loan. Just a thought.
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paydaylendingrep
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04-29-08 12:14 PM
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Adults should be given all of the information they need and then allowed to make the decision about what financial products work best for their families and their individual situations.When facing an unexpected expense between paydays and have to pay a bill today, customers look at their options and make a reasonable choice. Customers tell us that they choose to use payday loans to avoid other fees from bouncing a check or overdraft protection, incurring late fees on routine bill payments, borrowing from friends, family or church, taking out a cash advance on a credit card or taking out a payday loan. All of these products have a cost associated with them. Payday loans can be a less costly and/or most desirable option.
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tattttms
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04-29-08 12:09 PM
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Unfortunately, payday lenders are just one more indicator that we have an uneducated and undisciplined populace. Live within your means! and there won't be any takers for the payday loans.
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ladynoogs
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04-29-08 11:23 AM
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payday lenders are a vicious cycle people can get into. My husband adn i got into that cycle when we were first married and in college in 1996. We probably spent 1000 in "fee's" our first year of marriage. It's a horrible cycle and i've seen the elderly poor get into that trap and thats really sad. I think they are unscrupulous... but it's a persons choice (a bad choice) to use them, but like walmart they are a neccessary evil in times of emergency. If i didnt have my parents to "bail" us out when my husband was in the hospital they would have been my only resource to support our family. We live paycheck to paycheck and dont make enough to actually "save" money. I think they need more restrictions and i think the first one should be FULL DISCLOUSURE of the "fine print" in the contract instead of just "sign here".
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Morris
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04-29-08 10:43 AM
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Just more of the same- elected officials convinced that they know better than the public -removing more and more freedom of choice and decision making- while legislating small and big business out of the state...guess what? remember how Jennifer and all of the politicians running for office promised to turn education around? what happened? ....here's a clue- you cannot have healthy schools and education without a healthy economy first- and if there were a healthy economy...perhaps there would be less NEED for payday lenders- but as it is- they serve a need- do you think most people who use those places have good paying jobs and bank accounts? ...better think before you remove another choice for consumers...and let your "officals" tell you what is best for you...
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samy07
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04-29-08 9:14 AM
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Most people who borrow from payday lenders cannot even afford 36 percent. I say follow WV's lead and ban them!
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