State ban lost in the smoke
Violations abound in check of night spotsBy Sam Shawver, sshawver@mariettatimes.com
Fact Box
Smoking ban enforcement¯ Through the end of April, the Washington County Health Department had investigated 23 reported smoking ban violations against a total of 13 establishments.
¯ The Misty Blue on Ohio 821, Darlene’s Tavern in Macksburg and the Spinning Wheel in Newport received warnings, but no additional reports were made.
¯ The Station Carryout received a warning and a fine.
¯ The Outskirts Carryout and Lounge on Ohio 550 has received a warning and a fine, and is about to be served with a second fine letter. The establishment has generated the most complaints to the county health department.
Source: Dr. Kathleen Meckstroth, Washington County’s health official.
¯ Since taking over enforcement for the Marietta Health Department on Feb. 7, the Ohio Department of Health has conducted 13 investigations, including some left over from when the city department was handling enforcement. Three cases are still open; five have been dismissed.
¯ Norwood Tavern on Greene Street received a warning letter and was fined $100.
¯ Riverside Bar and Lounge on Virginia Street received a warning letter.
¯ The Locker Room Sports Bar on Greene Street received a warning letter.
¯ The Four Seasons on Greene Street received a warning letter.
Source: Kristopher Weiss, spokesman for the Ohio Department of Health.
Nevertheless, at least three of the seven people inside the bar Tuesday evening were smoking, according to a Marietta Times reporter who visited the establishment.
Over the last week, Times’ reporters scanned 14 local bars, taverns and restaurants for violations of the state smoking ban. Violations were evident at four of those, including the Locker Room Sports Bar, Four Seasons Club and Norwood Tavern on Greene Street, and at the Misty Blue tavern on Ohio 821.
“Unfortunately it happens,” Norwood Tavern owner Mary Eddy said Friday. “This is the time of year when our business is down anyway because of warmer weather. But we’re in the process of trying to build on an outdoor patio where people can smoke.”
A message left with the Locker Room Thursday was not returned. Phone numbers could not be located for the Four Seasons and Misty Blue, and a manager was not available when the Four Seasons was visited Friday afternoon.
Enforcement of Ohio’s statewide indoor smoking ban took effect exactly one year ago today, although the measure was approved by voters in November 2006.
Eddy said the ban has affected her business and she would like to see some modifications to the law.
“I think a lot of people who voted for the ban didn’t know what they were voting for—they really didn’t read the fine print,” she said. “And I’ve heard that the Ohio Liquor Bar Association is working on a bill that would allow smoking in privately owned bars and private clubs.”
Donn Kerr, a truck driver from Marietta, said the smoking ban is killing the small “mom-and-pop” taverns.
“It’s not really hurting larger clubs,” he said. “And it’s us working guys that go to bars like Mary’s to have a beer after work who help pay the mortgages for these little bars.”
Kerr said he and other patrons know a smoky bar is not a healthy atmosphere, “but I don’t apologize for my actions. I like to sit down, relax, have a couple of beers and smoke.”
Relaxing and having a couple of beers is still possible, but smoking is out according to the constitutional amendment approved by Ohio voters that says businesses and other places of employment must prohibit smoking, remove ashtrays and post no-smoking signs with the toll-free number on it at all building entrances.
Kerr pleaded no contest to criminal trespassing in March 2007 after he reportedly refused to leave the Marietta Brewing Company on Dec. 10, 2006. He had been asked to do so because he was smoking.
Kerr admitted to smoking but said he didn’t recall being asked to leave. Enforcement of the ban had not begun yet, so he was not penalized under that law. He paid a $180 fine.
“They said it was trespassing, but it was (for) smoking,” Kerr said. “They just made an example out of me.”
A first violation of the regulation brings a warning letter from the local health department. Subsequent violations are subject to fines ranging from $100 for the second infraction up to $2,500 for five or more violations.
“This just makes people who are doing something perfectly legal—smoking—break the law,” Kerr said.
But keeping tabs on violators has been sporadic at best.
Jim Warren, director of environmental health with the Noble County Health Department, noted the program is entirely complaint-driven. There are no random inspections.
When the department receives the first complaint about a place, the establishment is called and questioned, Warren said. If they indicate they are complying, the complaint is dismissed, he said.
Upon receiving a second complaint, the department sends someone to the location to investigate.
Whether a warning, or later a fine, is issued depends on what the investigator finds.
“It’s what we see at that moment; it’s not what went on Saturday night,” Warren said.
While Warren said Noble County appears to have good compliance with the ban, he said he would not be surprised to learn smoking is still going on at some locations.
“I suspect we’re having the same thing, and either no one complains or they’re all smoking,” he said.
Washington County health commissioner Kathleen Meckstroth said the county health department sends a notice of complaint to businesses and sends a sanitarian to investigate unannounced. But that is only after a complaint is received.
“We don’t go out looking for violators, but receive anonymous complaints submitted through the toll-free number to the Ohio Department of Health,” she said.
“If someone complains, we investigate,” Meckstroth said. “But there have been instances when our agency or others are doing inspections in other areas of a business and may notice a smoking violation. It will be reported and will eventually work its way through the system.
“If we see a blatant disregard for the rules, those fines can be doubled,” Meckstroth said.
She said a blatant disregard could include an owner saying he or she would continue to allow smoking or has made no effort to change after receiving a warning. They haven’t encountered that here.
Initial appeal goes to the board of health, but cases can be appealed to the 10th District Court of Appeals in Franklin County.
The smoking ban does have its supporters, like Denise Ramser of Gambier, who was visiting downtown Marietta on Friday.
“In the past, we’ve had to wait for tables to become available in the non-smoking areas of restaurants,” she said.
Ramser explained she has allergies and one of her three children is asthmatic.
“Now we can even go into the bowling alleys,” she said.
Mary Catherine Holden smoked for more than 20 years before she finally quit. Now she’s approaching her 92nd birthday.
“I really appreciate the law, and now there’s always a restaurant where we can go without worrying about smoking,” Holden said.
Ex-smoker Tammy Hendrickson was walking the River Trail with Holden on Friday.
“I’ve been off cigarettes for two months now, and having places to go where there’s no smoking is such a big relief for me,” she said.
Evan Bevins also contributed.
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MT1234
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05-08-08 8:28 AM
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Yeah, it's the LAW, as some have said. I'll bet you would be the ones screaming the loudest if you were cited for driving 36 in a 35 mph speed zone. But heck, it's the LAW so live with it.
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Parrothead
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05-05-08 1:26 PM
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Almost every bar I know of serves some kind of food, if I am not mistaken it is to reap the benefits of some lopophole in the liquor law, so when does one cross over from being a bar to a resterant? I agree with Anonymous that smokers rights do not superceed those of none smokers. Smokers can smoke at home. What's next, will sexadics think that since sex is legal that they should have the right to perform any act they want in any public place they may find themselves in when the urge strikes? Yes that is a stretch and the acts are very different, but the arguement that the smokers are making is the same.
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Animallover
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05-05-08 9:20 AM
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I dont know if any of you drive down town Marietta on weekends around 12:00 or not but now all you see is people standing outside of the bars smoking and putting their butts on the side walk making down town look durty. I agree with not smoking in resterants but not bars.
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Anonymous123
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05-05-08 8:31 AM
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This subject has baffled me for quite a long time now. Why is it that all of us non-smokers are expected to respect people who smoke, but there are so many people who smoke that refuse to respect non-smokers? I personally love the law for myself and my family. It is sad to think that there are smokers out there that seem to be fine with putting other peoples' lives at risk. I don't care if second hand smoke over a lifetime equals two cigarettes or 2 million, I simply don't want it in my lungs...PERIOD! If you choose to smoke, fine. Do it in your own home. Why should a public place cater to only those who smoke? What makes smokers more priviledged than non-smokers that they should be able to make the rules in a public area?
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Brandy84
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05-04-08 6:46 PM
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Wow. Some of you are very overdramatic.
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Darby1952
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05-04-08 6:05 PM
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Is it any wonder why the children today are as screwed up as they are,, just look at the adults in here debating this stupid subject hahaha if the smokers want to smoke in confined rooms with non-smokers, then they need to go after the ban like the people did that got it passed.. until they do that, they need to sit down and enjoy the fresh air in the room...
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ladynoogs
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05-04-08 5:27 PM
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It's the LAW! not to smoke in public places.. you break the law you pay the fine.. its that simple. MOST people are NON-Smokers, and four cigs smoked around a non smoker is equal to One ciggerate that they ahve actually smoked.. more for small children.
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troyinohio
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05-04-08 5:15 PM
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I don't smoke cigs. I don't to smoke yours either. Three cheers for the ban!
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oldgrouch
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05-04-08 5:07 PM
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I think that most of you should read the reports of research not start running your jaws aout something that a reporter or group told you. Get the facts straight then comment.
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scandalous
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05-04-08 3:04 PM
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1. Establishments that serve alcohol are regulated. 2. Drinking alcohol does not kill others unless you choose to break the law and drink and drive, I could go on. 3. Smoking indoors does affect those who are not partaking. End of argument.
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Milaneea
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05-04-08 2:24 PM
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Oh for petes sake....what is wrong with people? FEAR..can you say FEAR! Everyone is AFRAID of everything! God help this country if this breed of people had to get on a ship without comforts and safety regulations to get to a land full of dangers and the threat of being scalped or freeze or starve. EVERYONE RUN...it is a whiff of SMOKE!! You can't STOP death, its coming for us all and no one has any control as to when it comes! GET OVER IT! You started to die the moment you were born. Live in your little box of FEAR..I will live my life to its fullest without cowering in a corner crying about everything that someone says may or may not be SCARY. BOO! Now everyone run and pass a law over the word boo..it is scary, you might have a heart attack from the shock and we will run lots of tests making losts of money to prove if you say boo to loud someone may die. JJJEEESSHHH!
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Parrothead
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05-04-08 12:13 PM
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Nytoohio – EVERY bar owner in the U.S. is told when they can open and when they must close, how old their customers have to be, when they can and can not serve a legal aged customer and how old their employees must be. Just to name a few. When will those who make this argument, repeatedly, open your eyes and admit what the truth is – the government has ALWAYS had the “right” to tell anyone with a liquor license how to run their business. I wonder why none of them ever complain and scream about that FACT! Also, to set the record straight – I am a smoker! I have smoked, off and on since the mid-seventies. Cigarette smoke does not bother me, but I do realize that it does bother and limit the options of others and act accordingly. Perhaps if other smokers respected the “rights” of others half as much as they proclaim to deserve their “rights” the general public would not have seen the need for this ban. Has the phrase – “you reap what you sow” ever crossed your minds?
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nytoohio
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05-04-08 11:10 AM
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Our country is turning communist. Since when does the government have the right to tell the owner of a business what they can or cannot allow. If I was a bar owner, I would get out. You nonsmokers just wait until something is taken away from you, then you will be singing a different tune. It is always a "good thing" when it is in your favor. I believe they should allow smoking in bars (separate from the food area, if there is one). If the nonsmokers are so worried about their health, then what the heck are they doing in a bar anyway?
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Parrothead
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05-04-08 8:13 AM
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I personally no of many people who were potential customers that many businesses were ignoring and driving away from their establishments for the simple fact that they would allow even one person to fill the air with the smoke from a cigarette. It’s simple math – one smoker will keep many potential customers, and their money, out of a business. Many of you have said that if you do not smoke you should go to a place where smoking is not allowed. Where were these places before the state wide ban? They were non-existent. They were non-existent because it does not matter if there is only one person smoking or fifty – the presence of cigarette smoke keeps people away. Yet many of you think that the so called “right” of the one over-rides the “rights” of the one, or many others, who do not want to, or can not physically, be around cigarette smoke. Your arguments on this issue are simply nothing more than selfishness and a lack of respect for those around you. PERIOD!
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Amazed
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05-04-08 12:05 AM
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Being black, Puerto Rican, Mexican or any oher minority does not case harm to others of diffferent races. The line needs to be drawn when what someone does causes harm to other, innocent people who may not choose to partake. People who don't smoke, do not smoke by choice and should not be forced to tolerate cigarette smoke if they choose not to. Smokers will not die if they don't smoke (although they might feel like it's unbearable for them not to smoke). However, someone who might ingest second-smoke smoke will have their health endangered by breathing in that second-hand smoke from a smoker. And, so what if they air in and around southeast Ohio is polluted? So, we shouldn't bother with non-smoking laws or regulations because with all the pollution, it won't make any diffference anyway? Sorry smokers, civil rights does not extend to something as unpleasant and harmful as smoking in public.
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stickhauler
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05-04-08 12:04 AM
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So, 2 cigarettes too many? Hardly the huge threat quoted by the anti-smoking nazis. As for telling anyone that it's true, and contridicting what some doctor told them, I'm sure you'll ignore me, and that's fine. Believe everything doctors tell you, they're just one of 2 professions who don't say they do their job, they "practice." Do you want an auto mechanic who simply "practices", or do you expect them to fix your car? As for simply complaints from a little "******* Ohio town", the state itself is suffering from the lack of tax money from people staying out of the now non-smoking establishments, but never mind, you non-smokers will pony up the lost revenue won't you? NOT!
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Francia
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05-03-08 11:19 PM
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Just read oldgrouch's comment about discrimination. Being black or Hispanic is a birthright. It is NOT a choice like smoking. Also the other comments about addiction to food. Anything can be done to an excess, but eating is a necessity to life. As well as non-smoking is a necessity to life.
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Francia
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05-03-08 11:14 PM
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Try to convince me that there is nothing to second hand smoke!! I lost two friends who were non smokers, but lived in a house with a smoker and also had to work (in a restaurant) with smokers. I am a cancer survivor and was told specifically to stay away from smoking environment. I actually get sick when I even get a whif of it from a great distance. My grandaughter could not go to any public place for a long time because smoking was aloud. She is now free to breathe! Her asthma attacks have stopped. Florida's ban has WORKED, and they aren't crying over it. New York's ban has worked and the "bar customers" did not flee to New Jersey, but rather their (N.Y.'s) businesses grew (noting N.J. folks started coming to N.Y.) Our west coast states have been smoke free for a long time now, and they are "surviving" without all the whining that seems to be happening in some of the "red neck" towns in Ohio....
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Parrothead
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05-03-08 11:05 PM
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I have read a lot of post here about how the smoking ban is taking away a smokers “rights.” I will admit that I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so will one of you tell me where the “right” to smoke (and to smoke in public” is listed or written? I re-read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and I didn’t see it there. Is it listed somewhere else or is it just a common belief that the individual has the “right” in this country to do what ever the h*ll they want, whenever and wherever they want?
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Darby1952
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05-03-08 10:30 PM
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Oh yes,, and it was six posts.. not five
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Darby1952
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05-03-08 10:27 PM
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I never said the horse was dead,,, reading comprehension is a wonderful thing....
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oldgrouch
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05-03-08 9:59 PM
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darby is the one that need to get on with life, he's made five post's and said the same thing each time. maybe we need to check and see whose beating a dead horse.
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Darby1952
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05-03-08 9:42 PM
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It boils down to this, the dang rule was put on the ballot by a group of citizens that did a better job of promoting the issue than the smokers did. Then it was voted on in a legal election. The smokers lost, good lord,, grow up and get over it. You can still smoke all you want, just not in an enclosed environment. How long you guys going to beat that horse... you guys are like this morons running around with "the south is going to rise again" bumper stickers......... YOU LOST,, GO ON WITH YOUR LIFE.. GEEZZZZZZZ
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Darby1952
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05-03-08 9:38 PM
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that is 2 cigarettes too many Stick
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Watchman
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05-03-08 9:35 PM
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A indivdual's rights end, when they intrude on anothers. Smoking is a one of the few deadly diease makers that can be prevented. Once you step out of your home, you are now in public domain. Your rights can not be used to remove anothers. Democracy is the majority protecting the rights of the minority. If you wish to harm your health, you may do so, but not at the expense of others. In most states suicide is against the law, as well as assisted suicide.
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