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Residents vent over school closings

Some say other cuts could have been made to save money

By Patrick Cooley, pcooley@mariettatimes.com
POSTED: May 26, 2008

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When Bartlett and Cutler Elementary students exit their school buildings on June 3, it won’t just be for the summer.

A week ago, the Warren Local Board of Education voted 4-1 to follow Superintendent Tom Gibbs’ recommendation and close the two schools, as a way of saving about $525,000 a year through cuts in personnel, utility savings and reduced transportation costs. The students will be split between Barlow-Vincent and Little Hocking Elementary schools. Parents will be offered the option of open enrollment as well.

In the week following the announcement, local residents expressed concern over the consolidation.

“This is affecting everyone in the community,” said Stephanie Sydenstricker, 33, who has three daughters attending Bartlett. “I don’t have anything against Barlow-Vincent, but they’ve been going to school with the same people since kindergarten and now you’re sending them to a different school.”

She said that two of her daughters were fine with the transition, but one of them was very upset.

“There isn’t really anything we can do about it,” she said. “It’s the children who are affected more than anything.”

Sydenstricker said in a close-knit community such as Bartlett, the closing of the elementary school will affect everyone.

“They aren’t saving any money,” said Larry Chesser 62, of Bartlett, who has three grandchildren attending Bartlett Elementary School.

He said longer bus routes could cancel out anything they saved through closing down the two schools.

“It’s terrible,” he said. “The classes (at Barlow-Vincent) are over-crowded now, and they’re adding more kids to it.”

Sherri Kaltenbach, 31, of Cutler who attended both schools and has three children who attended both, said she was very upset to hear the board’s decision.

“Cutler is the only elementary school in Warren district with an excellent rating,” she said. “It seems ridiculous to me to close it and Bartlett both. I realize that funds are tight right now, but there were other ways to save money.”

Kaltenbach said the superintendent’s office could comfortably get by with one secretary and eliminate the other two. She also said they could have cut out the assistant superintendent’s position and saved $118,000.

She plans to attend the board of education meeting in June to ask school officials to start cutting some of these positions.

“I am tired of hearing that these schools closing was the only way to save money other than cutting things like gym and art,” she said. “It’s not the only way.”

Some said the school district will have a hard time getting money from the voters after closing the two schools.

“They want us to vote for their school levies,” said Gerald Lefon of Bartlett. “They’re not going to get them now.”

The district, facing a $5.2 million deficit in fiscal year 2012, is expected to save $404,880 a year when it closes Bartlett Elementary and $125,000 a year when it closes Cutler Elementary.
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emt216
06-01-08 1:37 AM
cutler was all air conditioned. hmm.

Warriorhearted
05-28-08 10:18 PM
I only wanted to offer this about the use of trailers. Sometimes in late August and well into October the temperatures inside the buildings can reach temperatures that would probably shock you. These buildings only have air in the offices AND IN the trailers. I think, though I wont swear that that could be the reason they are being used instead of the classrooms. Now in the winter months I am not sure why they keep using them instead of migrating the kids to the indoor classrooms. Just thoughts. Ohjanayio, please keep working hard on finding answers, I wish I had your energy. Mrsmom, I wish I had your passion. You all obviously care alot, you just show it in different ways. We will all come together eventually if we work things out in the WARREN way and keep being kind to each other. Class82 - glad your here to keep everyone called to the table.

mrsmom
05-28-08 8:28 PM
I have a life, I'm going to get back to it and the rest of you can eat each other up LOL

whsparent
05-28-08 8:16 PM
mrsmom, for your convenience again:

"My post was 05-23-08 11:04 PM To ltdavid, I hope I can count on your vote, when I run for school board." - Janay

Class82
05-28-08 6:10 PM
mrsmom stop eating the crayons.

mrsmom
05-28-08 3:59 PM
whsparent, I believe the title of this article is "Residents vent over school closings", so you should go away. All you have done here is tried to dominate the board with your questions to a person who has NOT said they would run for the school board. The majority of the people on this board that are being nasty and negative the Bartlett/Cutler residents would'nt have the nerve to do so one-on-one or in person.

emt216
05-28-08 12:30 PM
i only want to say thank you to the staff and any parents involved with yesterday's field trip to bv. my daughter came home happy and excited and full of joy. if she is okay with this then i have to be. i promise to shut up and stop whining as it has been said.

gobuckeyes
05-28-08 11:25 AM
In an effort to present the real facts, I wanted to clear up one of the "facts" Janay presented yesterday...........The district, in fact, owns the Cutler property. I think everyone should fact check before we post anything and upset people needlessly.

ettasports
05-28-08 11:04 AM
as for levy's in our district, they won't pass because citizens fail to see how it benefits them.

We want stimulus checks because it helps us in the short term, but when it comes to investing in the future, we are tightfisted. It is the nature of the beast. We reap what we sow, and with fields of self-indulgence being reaped today, we will sow children with poor educations and inherited problems that they will be ill equipped to remedy.

ettasports
05-28-08 10:59 AM
I am sorry to hear the schools in Bartlett are closing. I know many persons who attended those schools and most are quality persons.

That being said, the writing for these closings has been on the wall since the late 70's. The same goes for Warren Elementary, I will regret seeing its closure, but with the school systems operating on tighter budgets, the fiscal sense dictates that smaller outlying schools close and the construction of central middle schools must commence.

Many will argue that the burden of transportation is simply too much as travel times will skyrocket with a central middle school in the Barlow area. Sadly their complaints will fall on deaf ears. The district is already educating the kids at a premium, so the transportation to and from must fall on the parents.

The days of the local school are going the way of the dodo and if you examine other districts in our area we saw much of the same changes in the 80's, Warren has been stuck in a time warp.

whsparent
05-28-08 9:00 AM
mrsmom, some of us are attempting to take this to a new level. "defending yourself" is not an excuse to also be ignorant toward people.

I hope we can start an intelligent adult conversation now. If you want to “pick a fight” or “defend yourself” to a specific person, please exchange emails and go away.

I pose those same questions to anyway who would like to weigh in:

1. How much is a reasonable levy to build new schools? A specific amount you consider reasonable and realistic for the people to be able to pay.

2. How much are you willing to spend to change school names right now as we discuss cutting teachers and closing schools to save money?

3. What are the educational negatives to trailers?

mrsmom
05-28-08 8:18 AM
Hoops, how have I picked anyone apart? I have only defended myself and said positive things about this district. I am tired of arguing over moot points anyway. I was trying to say something positive then you join in and start with me.

ohjanayio
05-28-08 1:40 AM
In 2009 terms expire for Holbert, Johnson and McDermott. In 2010 terms expire for West and Rauch.

My post was 05-23-08 11:04 PM To ltdavid, I hope I can count on your vote, when I run for school board.

When I run, you will know. Until then I will continue to keep you informed of facts happening in the district.

whsparent
05-27-08 9:58 PM
Educational negatives to trailers, not looks or finances.

whsparent
05-27-08 9:48 PM
Before people jump on me for asking those questions, I only follow up because when you announce yourself a candidate for an elected position there will be questions by voters.

I will simplfy my questions because I realized after posting them they can by easily spun and not answered:

1. How much is a reasonable levy to build new schools? A specific amount you consider reasonable.

2. How much are you willing to spend to change names right now as we struggle financially?

3. What are the negatives to trailers?

whsparent
05-27-08 9:42 PM
I find this most interesting.

ohjanayio, we are still waiting for what you think as a candidate, not what the current board members know or think. The questions cannot be answered by repeating current meeting minutes:

Do you support new schools at all costs? If yes, what would you be willing to spend?

You are correct, they do have the same mascot, can they all unify around that without changing names? The question remains, as a board member would you be willing to spend thousands of dollars today to change names at a time when we are trying to save money?

What are the negatives to trailers? The question is not are there negatives, what are the negatives?

Who cares what the current board has their eye on. The question is do you, as a candidate, support building new schools at any cost?

You refer over and over to the current board in your answers. Since you said you plan to run and want votes, the questions are specific to what you would do.

ohjanayio
05-27-08 9:15 PM
whshoops 5:17 Part 3

5. I have been fighting the board for over a year about Cutler and Bartlett. The current superintendent and board have their eyes set on new buildings which the state will pay 50%. They are taking premeditated steps to reach this goal and imagine how good this will look on a resume’.

ohjanayio
05-27-08 9:14 PM
Part 2 whshoops 5:17

3. Yes there are negatives to each school in the district, but they do not out weight the positives of the district as a whole. I will not be drug into the muck and whine. Today we took a field trip from Cutler to my son’s new school. Little Hocking had planned a wonderful welcome and assigned each student a buddy. We got a nice tour of the school, teachers pointed out numerous ways students were all same. I saw only positive reactions from the students. This may not be our choice, the choice was made for us, but we can choose to make the best of it. 4. Yes there are negatives to trailers, but the current superintendent and board has decided that is where they will educate our children. I do not see that changing until they accomplish their goal of new buildings.

ohjanayio
05-27-08 9:11 PM
whshoops 5:17 If this doesn't quench your thirst for knowledge; I’ll save you a seat at the next board meeting. Then we can chat during executive session.

1. The board knows the financial situation of the community and knows it will be hard to pass a levy. I will be at the board meetings gathering information and asking questions. Like you I want what is best for the district and will vote for a reasonable levy. 2. I know firsthand about the heart ache, as I guide my 7 year old through this change. The LH bus turns around in front of our house; we chose to send our son to Cutler. Changing names would impact everyone and be extremely expensive. The suggestion did get numerous emotional responses, from those saying others needed to be less emotional. Fact Jr. High teams at all elementary schools are already called Warriors and wear blue and white.

cont....

LIttle
05-27-08 7:53 PM
I took a break from the last article when it got out of control also. This is an emotional time but repeating yourself repeatedly is not going to change any minds.

I do not support name changing right now. I really don't support new buildings right now or in the near future. Consolidation is ridiculous given the geography of our county.

I do support using money to make our schools energy efficient. I do support using trailers as a short-term solution; I hear we have been graduating more seniors than enrolling kindergarteners. I support any child coming to LHS despite the animosity their parent brings to the table; the child is not to blame. I support the school board and the tough job they fought to have.

blueandwhite
05-27-08 7:38 PM
whshoops I think we have said it all in one short breath...all of our kids are great....

whshoops
05-27-08 7:33 PM
mrsmom you pick apart people as much as anyone else. You keep it going. Do you always have to speak last? How many times have you said how gifted your kids are anyway? DO I HAVE TO USE CAPS TO TELL YOU TO STOP ALREADY???? YOU ARE THE 1% THAT MAKES THE REST LOOK BAD IN YOUR AREA.

That is funny you mention the swings. My other friends have a daughter that will go to third grade I think. She was amazed at the playgound at LHS and how many people were there to play with. These kids are great.

whshoops
05-27-08 7:25 PM
I want to say one last thing and then I will never look at one of these blogs again because this is not an exchange of ideas any more.

In Wood County they are renovating three high schools. It was originally I think to cost about $50 million and now has ballooned to I think $64 million. They aren't even done. This is renovating, not building from scratch. We have to be realistic about what we can do. Taxpayers cannot be burdened with new levies to build new schools at those costs.

The news tonight talked about the police cutting costs. They talk about cutting staff. This is scary stuff now. Keep the three schools we have. Make them better and pump money into the classrooms.

I won’t look back as you bash me for my opinion now. I am disheartened enough as it is. Good luck to you all as you move forward. And no reason to use caps for me mrsmom, I know you are sad.

blueandwhite
05-27-08 7:21 PM
Sounds like our kids are a tiny bit smarter than we parents ..lol.. and my kids we happy to know today at BV the playground has more swings..and I am proud to say my kids will be BV kids and I will be a BV parent so watch out PTO here I come ..lol..

mrsmom
05-27-08 7:17 PM
understanding neighbors. I won't lose sleep over the other 1%. My children will do great. My oldest son has never had anything less than an A on his report card and is gifted and I'm sure he will continue on at B-V in the same fashion. My youngest gets A's and B's and is gifted in math and my daughter is an excellent reader and gets A's and B's, I'm sure they will do well in their new school too. My children all said they had a good time at B-V on their field trips today and that makes me very happy :D

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