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Court for combat vets in trouble?

Attorney wants idea considered locally; judges say there’s no money or need

By Brad Bauer, bbauer@mariettatimes.com
POSTED: June 9, 2008

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In the past month at least three local combat veterans were sentenced to prison, each blaming at least some of their legal troubles on their military experience.

According to Marietta attorney Rolf Baumgartel, a growing number of veterans are returning home and turning to alcohol or drugs to help suppress memories of combat. He has represented at least four combat vets in legal trouble this year to date.

The problem is not unique to Washington County and some communities, including Buffalo, N.Y., are now addressing the situation by implementing specialty docket courts to handle veterans who find themselves in legal trouble.

Instead of time behind bars, most soldiers who enter Veterans Courts are sentenced to undergo mental health or addiction counseling. If they successfully complete treatment their charges are generally dismissed.

Baumgartel said the idea should be considered locally, but local judges say there is no funding for such a court. It was announced last week the county’s three-year-old drug court is set to close in August because funding dried up.

“It has become clear to me that experience in a war zone can lead to criminal problems,” Baumgartel said. “These guys are coming home with emotional problems and substance abuse problems, which leads to criminal problems.”

Washington County Common Pleas Judge Susan Boyer said last week Ohio already allows for mental health and drug courts. In addition to a lack of funding she said a veterans court probably isn’t warranted.

“The issues these veterans are facing fall into one or both of these courts,” Boyer said. “And I’m not sure, but I don’t know if the numbers of local veterans would justify another court.”

Local veteran’s affairs officials could not be reached on Sunday for comment.

A study released in April by the RAND Corporation, a California-based research organization, indicated 19 percent of veterans who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan — roughly 300,000 people — report symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder or major depression.

“If we are going to support our troops, let’s support them and not dump them when they are down,” Baumgartel said.

Assistant Washington County Prosecutor Ray Dugger, a Vietnam War veteran, said he questioned the validity of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

“I’ve spent most of my adult life not buying into the notion of any PTSD,” Dugger said. “Now, I think there is certainly something wrong with these folks — something that makes them need that crutch of drugs or alcohol.”

Dugger said memories of combat experience are hard to put to rest.

“I spent two years, four months and 27 days in Vietnam, but who’s counting?” Dugger asked.

Dugger said he would support the notion of a specialty court for veterans.
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bob676
06-09-08 3:10 PM
I am a vet and have been deployed a few times and getting ready to deploy again in the Active Army. I think it is crap that guys are trying to say that they are criminal because the chose to join and serve. When you are faced with prison you will say or do anything to try to get out of it. They know right from wrong and they chose to do the wrong thing so they should pay just like anyone else. Unless u have been there and gone through it u don't know #@$%^ about PTSD so keep your mouth shut about things u know nothing about!!!!!

ladynoogs
06-09-08 2:33 PM
Flintknapper you are correct! that is a wonderful comparison. We must understand thier past trama and get them help for it but at the same time following the letter of the law fairly and justly. And no they dont need a speical court.

flintknapper
06-09-08 2:21 PM
Yes, vets have gone through tramatic experiences that I, as a non-vet, cannot even fathom. They have changed in ways i cannot understand and we owe them our respect and gratitude, BUT kids from abusive homes, crack-homes, impovershed homes have also gone through and witnessed horrific scenes, and they did not volunteer, they did not have a choice, they GREW UP believing this is normal. Do we have a special court for them? No, because how do you draw the line, where is the cutoff between "Well, he's been through alot" and "Sorry about what you've been through, but the law is the law"?

PS - newsnut - what are you, 13? Grow up.

buckeye4life
06-09-08 2:07 PM
Newsnut, that was one of the dumbest things I had ever read....

KarenGumm
06-09-08 1:15 PM
Shame on you newsnut. That was uncalled for. Our returning warriors need special care and attention. They sacrificed for us, by putting thier lives on hold to go over to a God-forsaken country and try to help a people that have waged war on each other ever since time began. These people don't have regard for life. They do horrendous things to one another and our troops. Just think for a moment if you saw one of your friends beheaded and then his/her body dragged through the streets. How could you ever sleep peacefully again? They see things that we only see in horror movies. We can turn our heads or close our eyes and know its not real. Well, its real to that warrior. They might come home without a scratch on thier body, but there surely is a huge gaping wound in thier hearts and minds.

Concernedmom
06-09-08 12:29 PM
We simply need to do what ever it takes to help our vets. They have bravely stood up for this country and we need to stand by them...what ever it takes.

sandj828
06-09-08 12:05 PM
I support our troops 100% and I think that often they do get a raw deal and less respect than they deserve. However, I think it is wrong for them to blame their crimes on their military experience. They still have to make their own choices and the most likely truth is that they probably had a propensity for this type of thing before they entered the military. Now they are using the frustration and bad feelings they have about their war experiences cloud their judgement. I think this would be the easy way out. They need counseling and treatment and a special court is not the answer.

mouthpiece
06-09-08 10:35 AM
PTSD may be real, but you establish this special court and those folks will be treated differently and it will become a crutch. I say treat everybody the same . . .but that sure doesn't happen in Washington County now.

ladynoogs
06-09-08 10:31 AM
PTSD is real! these soliders have to go threw the unimagenable and i'm sure many many of them do come home with emotional problems especially PTSD. there are therapies that work, EMDR is one of them, i've personally seen the positive impact it can do for someone. They need to "pay" for thier crimes, but they also need help with thier issues. PTSD can and will lead to addictions if not treated. Our country DOES NOT take good care of our vets, look at Walter Reid! And those are just the physical problems that are treated, those with the physical injuries probably suffer PTSD, but the ones that come home "healthy" probably have them as well and they need the utmost care and help they can get. No its not an excuse for the crimes they commit, but the crimes are a symptom of a deeper issue.

I thank God every day that my once Military hopeful 15 year old son decided he didnt want to join up when he graduates. No thanks to the recruiters that approach 8th graders!

Elizabeth
06-09-08 10:30 AM
I do agree with this... My finace (who spent 6 years in the Military) and I talk about all of this on a regular basis... Everything affects everyone differently, both good and bad things... I am not, by all means, saying that it is okay to use the military as an excuse for ANYTHING is acceptable... However, I do feel that certain situations people have been in and what they have gone through could make a positive or negative affect on them... We are all different... It's not fair to say, "Begin overseas did not make me crazy, it couldn't have harmed you either"... We all react different to different events... C'mon, seeing your best friend's face being blown away can't have that much of a possitive influence on your mentality...

newsnut
06-09-08 10:10 AM
I watched a war movie once. I think I'll beat my wife

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