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Health care debate draws attention

By Connie Cartmell, ccartmell@mariettatimes.com
POSTED: July 27, 2009

Despite an apparent bump in the road in President Barack Obama's sweeping health care overhaul, many local residents expect that Congress will eventually pass a health reform package.

In the meantime, local folks are paying attention.

"It will affect absolutely everybody," said Al Cummings of Marietta. "It will affect not only the people who have good (health) insurance now, but those who have none."

Senate Democrats told Obama Thursday to slow down in his push for an August vote, but spoke optimistically of wrapping up the bipartisan bill in two weeks.

An August vote is not likely to happen, the president was told.

"We wasted a lot of time over several administrations and something should have been done about health care a long time ago," Cummings, 78, said. "They've dragged their feet for years."

With a combination of Medicare, a government plan for seniors, and a supplemental private insurance, Cummings feels secure now, but wonders what Obama's plan will contain.

"I have been following it right along, but sometimes it's all too deep for the average person to understand," he said. "They talk in riddles sometimes."

He would like to know exactly what the new proposal will cover and what it will mean to him.

Overall, many are questioning the engineering of House and Senate committee bills on health care that have emerged in recent weeks. Doubts revolve around costs to taxpayers and the reach of government. In the House, moderate and conservative Democrats bucked against legislation written with a liberal tilt by party elders. In the Senate, moderate Democrats are insisting on trying to work out a deal with a handful of Republicans willing to talk.

Cummings has concerns.

"At this point, we don't need to join a government plan, we have a good one with my retirement plan, but what if my company decides they don't have to pay out what we've paid into the plan?" he said. "I'm not quite sure how all this will work out."

Shelley Elliott of Devola thinks she knows what the future holds and she is deeply concerned.

Elliott, 55, fears that the Obama health plan will go the same way as health coverage in England, where many close relatives live.

"I am watching it closely and I am worried," she said. "My family is from England and I've lost several very close relatives to heart disease and cancer because their treatment was delayed. They were on a list and it takes forever to get in. That is fact."

Elliott, who has dual citizenship (she was born in the U.S.), said she has relatives who have been told by the system, "You are older and you can wait."

"A necessary drug might be too expensive or certain tests people need are not allowed because of age - you are either too young or too old," she said. "My relatives cannot believe that Americans would let this happen."

Elliott wants fellow Americans to pay more attention to the Obama health care plan - look at the facts, and read information about it, before making a decision.

"We've got to stop it," she said. "For some reason, nobody is believing what they are told by people from England and Canada about their health care system. Nobody is paying attention."

When you are 20 years old and never sick a day in your life, you might not think health insurance applies to you.

Tyler West, 20, of Little Hocking was of that mindset until he was admitted to the hospital recently.

"I don't have health insurance," West said. "It's too expensive for me with all my other bills to pay. I did go to the hospital because I was sick and it's pretty pricey."

He ended up with a payment plan to the hospital to meet his obligation.

West expects a government health care plan would work for him.

"It all depends on the price," he said.

Retired physician Russell Schreiber of Marietta said America needs to look at what's worked and what has not worked in other countries to craft a comprehensive health care plan here.

"We should follow the lead of other industrialized nations," said Schreiber, an Obama supporter. "We should take a world view."

His daughter recently gave birth in a New Zealand hospital, a country with full government health care. Attention to both mother and child was excellent, Schreiber said.

"It did not cost her a penny," he said.

Maureen Olander, 54, of Devola, is an ardent supporter of the president's health care initiative and the legislation can't come soon enough for her.

"The state of health care in this country is a national and international disgrace," Olander said. "It doesn't cover the people who need it. I hope it does go through this summer - if not in August, then in September."

Olander said her two adult children, 22 and 25 years old, are currently not covered by health insurance.

"Once they graduate from college, they can no longer be on our health insurance and even with their jobs, they can't afford the premiums," she said.

Olander said sometimes she feels guilty that she and her husband have good health insurance when so many others, including their children, do not.

"I encounter this every day in my office," she said. "I want a public alternative. It's important. If this doesn't go through, there will be a huge price to pay."

She doesn't know the details of the Obama health plan, but she supports it, regardless.

"I trust President Obama," Olander said.

In the midst of a family health care issue now, Robert Davis, a retired engineer and teacher, let his supplemental health insurance go. He and his wife have Medicare coverage, but the added coverage is too expensive, he said.

"My supplemental skyrocketed in the past two years," Davis said. "I dropped it and I am paying out of pocket for my wife's health care needs."

He is paying close attention to Obama's health proposals.

"I voted against him, but I decided to let him have a chance to prove his point," he said. "Now, I don't think that he has the depth of experience and knowledge someone should have to be president."

Davis is concerned about the price tag of the current legislation - trillions of dollars, he said.

"I agree that everybody ought to be entitled to health care, but I don't think that this country can support it," he said. "It will be a matter of raising taxes on everyone."

This former International Telephone & Telegraph engineer, who returned to Marietta from California for retirement, does not believe the health plan in its current form stands much chance.

"I don't think it will fly at this point in time," Davis said. "There may be some compromise as time goes on. I certainly hope so."

The Associated Press contributed.

 
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flabuckeye
08-09-09 10:51 AM
con-pat' Congress has the FINAL say. And even then the Sup-Court can overturn the law if they deem it not in line with the constitution.

Roscoe
07-28-09 8:38 AM
Concerned, you will find that freddy/hostileking/buzzsawyer & blogg something has a tendency to do that.

concernedpatriot
07-28-09 8:34 AM
I FIND THE "EVONY" AD TO THE RIGHT VERY OFFENSIVE. REMOVE IT NOW.

concernedpatriot
07-28-09 8:31 AM
MARIETTA TIMES!!!!!!! WHY WAS THIS REMOVED? THIS IS SENSORSHIP AT THE HIGHEST, THE VERY THING YOU MEDIA PEOPLE PREACH AGAINST!

!!REMOVED FROM SITE!! hostileking, I think you meant Nancy Pelosi and if you did, YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING! This witch of a woman is totally out for herself and has not done one thing to help even one American, except BIG BUSINESS. The middle class will loose with the advent of "national insurance". The poor already have help in the form of welfare (medicare) and medicaid. The middle class will be lowered to the same level with medicare and medicade. I have worked for everything I have, which includes good medical insurance. Obama's plan is to take that away from me and dish it out to the poor. I for one am sickened by the entire thought. I have worked hard for 40 years, only to see what I have worked for get handed over to lazy a s s e s, too lazy to work for a living. And there are those of you who say we are not headed towards socialism.

concernedpatriot
07-28-09 8:12 AM
asknot I am a little offended by your "rich white buddies" comment. There are "rich" blacks also, you know. How about lets keep the "black, white, hispanic, yellow, red off of here. I made a comment awhile back about seeing and saying something to a 400 lb. person with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth getting out of their car at Wal-Mart, the car was parked in a handicapped spot. I got beatup pretty bad about that one. Learned my lesson.

concernedpatriot
07-28-09 5:17 AM
I hear on here Republicans do this, democrats do that. The problem with todays governmnet is politicians period. Politicians have become too powerful and too self-fullfilling. I am going to go out on a limb and say ALL politicians are out for themselves. That is why we citizens need to be pushing for term limits. That is also why I will not vote for any incumbent in the next election.

If there is a politician anywhere in the country that is trying to do a good job (I doubt there is) I apologize to them for what I say here. They are unfortunately lumped into a very dishonorable profession. Go find a job that is more honorable.

concernedpatriot
07-28-09 4:48 AM
asknot I agree with you somewhat also. I put the blame on Obama for one major reason, IT IS HIS RESPONSIBILITY. Obama is the big dog, whatever congress does, it is still the President's responsibility. The President has the authority to overturn ANYTHING congress does. If the President does not agree with what congress does he can veto, the final aproval sits with the President.

Mugwamp
07-28-09 2:26 AM
I live in England right now and I am enrolled in the national health plan. I am over 60 and I have just had an operation that I needed when I lived in Ohio. It was free. I am diabetic and have high blood pressure. My perscriptions are free. And it is true that you have to wait if it is not life threatening, but I have never been so well looked after where it concerns my health. I think it depends on the doctor. I have an excellent doctor who if I need something he is right there pushing for me to get it. I had a very bad chest infection a couple of years ago and was too ill to go to the doctor, so they sent one to my home. Where do you get that in the US today. I am planning to move back next year, so I hope Obama's health care sysytem is in place. You have to keep in mind, that there will be many bugs to iron out, but just getting something in place is a start.

asknot
07-27-09 10:01 PM
Concerned, I actually agree with you 98%. But putting the blame on Obama is wrong. It's politicians in general. McCain was going to install a very similar stimulus package. Obama has said no more stimulus packages. I wonder what would happen if a REP. was in their and their rich white buddies needed more money? I bet ya they'd get it. And we'd be in Iraq alot longer, continuing down the same shatty path Bush had us on. I know your stance on this, i just don't liek you only pointing your finger at Obama, like this trainwreck is all his fault. You know I'm an Obama supporter, but unless he starts cutting government spending to pay for all this, I'll be pushing for Ron Paul again, or who he endorses. But I do think that HealthCare reform is long overdue. Other countries that have universal coverage seem to be better off than we are now.

asknot
07-27-09 9:54 PM
TXBuckeye, you're right that his union did, and that *****, but most employers can't afford a no cap plan. The story was to illustrate what alot of American's are going through. Not you!

And it's not necessarily an extra trillion. If those people that would go to the ER for a bad case of the flu, with no insurance, so medicaid would pick up the bill, now would have insurance to go to a regular doctor. Alot less expensive! And that ER visit money would go towards their health care.

concernedpatriot
07-27-09 8:41 PM
bwc511, I didn't realize I was back in school. I really don't have to explain anything to you.

concernedpatriot
07-27-09 8:40 PM
bwc511, where do you think the money is going to come from to pay for just the stimulas (or lack there of)? It is going to come out of the pockets of the middle class, taxes will be raised, there is no choice. I'll tell you the same thing your parents probably told you, "money does not grow on trees". Even though the Obama administration tends to think it does, because they just print more and more, with no backing.

The lower class does not have to worry about paying more in taxes, they have nothing now. The rich very seldom get hurt by higher taxes because they can either afford it or it never gets to them in the first place. Now that leaves the middle class, they will take from us and that will be the end of it.

bwc511
07-27-09 8:23 PM
Rocker... consider: 1)labour in the US is as cheap as it comes in the industrialised world ; 2) there are many other industrilised countries with greater labour costs 3) these same countries have higher standards of living 4) they also have more stable currencies and banks 5) they pay more taxes, yes... but they still conduct most of their business in a free market and make lots of money Making money is an expensive business to be in... sounds to me like you think it should not be. You could have no minimum wage and pay whatever people will take... but in that type of environment, money is stifled awfully quick... if you do not pay what labour is worth, then you are pretty likely not to receive what you think your product is worth or need to be paid to stay in business.

bwc511
07-27-09 8:13 PM
Concernedpatriot... now it is your turn to cite an example of how Obama is out to destroy the middle class. Please cite one example, and explain the effects on the middle class.

concernedpatriot
07-27-09 8:00 PM
The rich do not give "free rides", the "free rides" are paid for by the middle class. You know, the class of people that is going away. That is why the "free ride" will not last long. Obama and his inept crew are seeing to that.

rocker
07-27-09 7:57 PM
hostileking, you like to complain about the rich a lot. Have you ever had a poor man give you a job?

rocker
07-27-09 7:48 PM
bwc511 a recent regulation imposed on businesses would be the minimum wage increase. This will increase the costs of doing business which stifles business growth and expansion at a time when businesses are already hurting.

TXBuckeye
07-27-09 7:00 PM
Here are a couple directed questions.

asknot, if everyone gets health care now regardless of insurance status (via the hospitals) and it will be more efficient to give them insurance & preventative care to reduce serious problems, why will it cost a trillion $'s more to insure them?? An extra trillion doesn't seem particularly efficient to me...

asknot, a sad story to be sure on the cancer patient, but who negotiated his insurance plan?? The answer is his union. I am not represented by a union and my insurance has no such minimal caps....

hostileking, enjoy your free ride on the "rich", while it lasts. It won't last long.

Roscoe
07-27-09 6:06 PM
asknot - I don't think they have a cure for that yet. my condolences.

asknot
07-27-09 4:18 PM
Sorry, I think Freddy (or whoever he is now) just channeled through me! lol

asknot
07-27-09 4:17 PM
His insurance capped at $150,000. Now 3 months out of the hospital, he's cashed in his retirement, and is $130K in debt for her medication, which she'll need for a lot longer. It's ridiculous what these companies charge and make. It's sad, he was a hard working man that will be bankrupted at retirement age due to this. And if he has to wuit to help take care of his wife, who will end up picking up the tab? You! and the rest of us. Might as well try something to stop this bleeding of money from our pockets. I'd rather it go to helping keep people healthy and getting them better than to the lawyers, pharm companies, and insurance giants.

asknot
07-27-09 4:13 PM
livedonglendale, You're either going to pay now or later ofr others healthcare. You can have a system in place that allows people to go to the doctor when they should instead of when they have to. That way they get preventative care and are less likely to let a problem develop into a more serious one. Or you can make them wait, because they can't afford to go, then let that problem become a much worse problem, which can cost them to go broke, lose their job, etc. Then they will have to be paid for by us, taxpaying citizens. And that cost will be much more than if they had gone when they should of. I have health insurance, and 2 years ago, my son had a 10 minute minor operation, we were in and out in about 5 hours, cost me $3,600 out of pocket. Then I got sick and spent 3 days in teh hospital. Around, $5,000 for me. With health insurance. Now imagine if those problems were serious. You'd be toast. I saw on the news last night, a union workers wife developed brain cancer.

bwc511
07-27-09 4:01 PM
rocker... you did not answer the question. Please tell us one regulation that has been recently been implemented that was not necessary. Give one, tell how it has stifled business... speculated regulations do not count as they are not in place.

rocker
07-27-09 2:38 PM
bwc511, well gee where do I start. I don't think I have to list all the regulations we have that stifle businesses growth, decrease employment, control citizens every move. If you want to see "NEW" regulations read the Obama health plan and the cap & tax bill. Anyway, according to national polls the main concern is the ECONOMY which means we need to do everything we can to help businesses grow and encourage new businesses, not regulate them to death.

rocker
07-27-09 2:02 PM
Your right Harley, and If I'm not mistaken, the Dems control most of the states about to go broke lol and the cities.

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