Local opinions vary on health care vote
By Sam Shawver, sshawver@mariettatimes.comNow that the U.S. Senate has passed its version of a health reform bill, Robert Kesterson, from the Little Hocking area, says it's time for both Republicans and Democrats to get to work on final legislation.
"I just wish both sides would get together and settle this," he said. "They need to get rid of the partisanship and start working for the people they represent."
Incoming Marietta Councilman-elect Mike McCauley agreed.
"I think this voting along party lines for a health care bill is just wrong," he said. "There are a bunch of people in both parties who are not working for their constituents. And if they change their bills in any way, it has to go back through both houses again."
Terasa Seeber of Lowell said she's tried to follow the proposed health care legislation, but it's not easy.
"I can't keep up with it," she said. "And I don't think (the legislators) really know what's in these bills. I think any health care bill should be voted on by the people, because it's going to affect everybody in the end.
"And the problem isn't that people don't have insurance, it's the insurance companies that charge so much people can't afford it," Seeber added. "We shouldn't have to go through all of this."
Kathy Keller, spokeswoman for AARP's Ohio office, said the organization is pleased with the outcome of Thursday morning's Senate vote.
"We're very happy that health care reform has gotten this far," she said. "We applaud the Senate for its action, and hope both houses will bring an improved bill out of the conference committee."
Keller said that committee's work would begin after legislators return to Capitol Hill in mid January.
"It's not over yet, but we're happy with the progress so far. And we'll have staff and volunteers on the Hill pushing every day to be sure that our members are well-represented and do not lose benefits in this legislation," she said.
U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, was one of several senators who received a phone call of thanks from President Barack Obama following passage of the Senate health reform bill.
"American families know first-hand that health insurance premiums have been skyrocketing," Brown said in a press release Thursday.
"This bill will lower costs for middle class families with insurance, while providing help to 31 million Americans who lack it," he added. "And insurers will have to play by a new set of rules, including an immediate ban on pre-existing condition exclusions for children.
"The bill also invests in small businesses - providing an immediate tax credit to help employers cover their workers," he said. "If we're going to rebuild our economy, we need to ensure that small businesses - which create more than 64 percent of our nation's jobs - are not crushed by exploding health costs."
Brown added that seniors on Medicare would see prescription drug costs cut in half and would have access to free annual check-ups and screenings.
But Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, said in another release that he did not vote for the bill.
"Something as enormous and complex as health care reform should have been accomplished through bipartisanship and complete transparency," he said.
"I pray, along with many of my constituents, that the American people will take time over the holidays to read the final Senate and House health reform bills and continue to let their voices be heard as the chambers prepare to reconcile their differences and complete work on final health care legislation," Voinovich added. "That will be our last opportunity to pull the emergency brake on this fiscal train-wreck.
"Democrats are raising taxes by more than half-a-trillion dollars," he said. "Paying for health care reform by placing these additional financial burdens on American families and small businesses will further impede our ability to compete in the global marketplace and, ultimately, our economic recovery.
"This bill is full of budget gimmicks to mask its true cost of nearly $2.3 trillion over 10 years when fully implemented," Voinovich said. "The bill will cut Medicare by $467 billion, which will impact health coverage for our seniors. I am particularly troubled by these cuts as the current Medicare program is already on shaky footing and expected to be insolvent by 2017, with $37 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
"I do not understand how my colleagues think we can do more when we cannot even afford what we have now," he said. "Additionally, I cannot support this bill because it directly and indirectly allows taxpayer dollars to be used to pay for abortions."
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Sittingbull
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12-26-09 9:43 PM
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Hello there Jimmy Buffet Wannabe; I've never read anything that Sarah Palin has written. I have, however read the Senate's Health Care Reform bill (pages 1087-1128) and comprehend what it means. Tell me something Jimmy. Is the fact that this bill, that most Americans oppose, is over 2000 pages in length meant to occlude the public's knowledge of what the bill contains? Why is it necessary to sew a clause in a bill to cover how it, in particular, can be altered? I find it especially troubling when that clause is unconstitutional.
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Parrothead
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12-26-09 8:36 AM
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There are people still worried about "Death Panels?" Get a life and stop reading "Going Insane" I mean "Going Rogue." Remember the old saying about your mind - "Garbage in, garbage out!
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Sittingbull
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12-25-09 9:13 PM
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Check out Section 3403. See if you think it establishes the possible creation of a Death Panel (IMAB) that would be completely unaccountable to the People. Obama said on December 19th that "the US could be on the cusp of making health care reform a reality" and "it now appears the American people may have the vote they deserve". Hmmmmm.... How do we know that we may not "be on the cusp" of great discoveries in medicine and the extension of useful longevity? But with Reid's Bill, there could be an unreproachable body created that decides who "deserves" to receive those medicines or procedures? Don't you suppose that in decisions like that money and connection would do the talking? Maybe ya'll should let your politicians know what YOU think about it.
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Darby1952
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12-25-09 7:54 PM
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Parrot,,, you are hilarious. You are one of the most opinionated, close minded, run someone down person on this stupid thing.... and you have the gall to make such a statement about anyone....... give me a break.. by the way,, I'm a registered democrat and have belonged to a trade union for 35 years. And I'm still ashamed of the democratic jerks running this country. I do not feel my tax dollars should go to fund abortions on demand, I don't feel the government should threaten its citizen with jail time if they fail to get health insurance. This is not a sorry or sad person speaking here. This is a person disgusted with the way the government is headed under the Obama, Pelosi, and Reid regime.
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TXBuckeye
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12-25-09 7:20 PM
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Parrot, I went and read the posts you referenced. Yes, there were some judgments being made there, but you did some of the same. For instance, you judged them to be a "family" when the article did not explore the relationship. The house could have been built for the mother, and the guy is just shacking up. The kids could be the offspring of those two, or they could have a different father(s). Who knows? In the face of such a vague article people will come to their own conclusions. I don't place any excessive malice on the negative comments, statistics would indicate their skepticism is well founded. Neither do I place any thoughts of naivete on your conclusion of a family. Perhaps the Times should have provided more information in the article? I understand frustration on the part of people with traditional values, as I too believe kids are better off in a traditional family and the out-of-wedlock birth rates these days are an embarrassment.
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Parrothead
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12-25-09 6:31 PM
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TXBuckeye – you should read the posts on the “Time to Celebrate” article before you throw your hat into the ring with these heartless, self centered Obama hating people from the buckeye state. It’s embarrassing to even say you are from Marietta. If the Republicans ever want to grow their party again they must start to stand up and rebuke those in their party who make them all sound and look like heartless, judgmental Christian hypocrites. Just as with a person wanting to make changes in their own lives they must first look inward.
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TXBuckeye
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12-25-09 5:26 PM
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First off, Merry Christmas Parrothead & Marietta. Yes, they are sad. Sad the see their country going more socialist, and walking away from freedom to succeed and personal responsibility. Yes, they are mad. Maybe those in Mtta are extra mad because they realize that they themselves put Obama into office. Nothing like the internal fire upon learning that you were naive and have been duped. Thank you Ohio for voting for Obama. Elections have consequences.
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Parrothead
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12-25-09 5:04 PM
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Finally! They have wasted a whole year arguing about this. I am thankful that it is almost done and that they can move onto the next issue which I am sure that the majority of those posting on this article will ***** and complain about. What a bunch of sad angry people you are. Merry Christmas!
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rikrab
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12-25-09 5:00 PM
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Waiting until subsequent elections may be too late besides the greater part of the sheeple are sleeping.
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Darby1952
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12-25-09 4:08 PM
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I hope that everyone remembers what these idiots are doing to our country come next election.... get the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Bawnie Fwank, and so on out.... return our country back to us.
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rocker
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12-25-09 2:36 PM
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The CBO is now saying that the "the estimated Medicare savings in the legislation overstate “the improvement in the government’s fiscal position,” the CBO said in the letter". What this means is that the health care bill "wouldn’t create “a $132 billion surplus, but would add $170 billion to the deficit”...according to Bloomberg News. Remember that Obama said he wouldn't sign it if it raised the deficit. Anyway, Merry Christmas to all!
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rikrab
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12-25-09 2:29 PM
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“It is called a revolution.” …Maybe after (insert favorite obsession). Wait…the number one rated show is on TV. Oh well…the revolutionist are too busy fighting among themselves. newamericanrevolution.biz "The Senate and the House of Representatives have betrayed you and they are robbing you blind” americanrevelations.blogspot .c o m
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Sarek
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12-25-09 12:16 PM
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The Constitution provides for the situation, and advice to correct, the current status of the overbearing and over controlling government we have now. It is called a revolution. It tells The People that WE should rise up against and overthrow a restrictive and oppressive government such as happened in the Revolutionary War. No wonder Obama and the libs want to rid us of our guns! Scwarze****** in California just signed a bill into law requiring the registration of and fingerprinting of all people buying ANY ammunition. It is now illegal to ship any ammo in the mail to CA. And California is broke and looking to Obama for a bailout! No wonder Scwaz. came out last week praising Obama- he wants a bailout! That's how politics works with our money! Read The Constitution and you'll have done something MOST Congressmen and women have not done. Merry Christmas.
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Darby1952
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12-25-09 12:03 PM
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by the way,, get rid of the d.a.m.n.e.d. lawyers and you will get health care reform. We already have national health insurance. It is called Medicare and Medicaid. They can't get that right......
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Darby1952
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12-25-09 12:00 PM
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Obama and Pelosi both lied,, outright, straight forward lied. You can try to paint it however you wish. Where is the openess, the transparency, the posting online for all to read prior to a vote? They have not done any of this. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid all have lied. And a senator changing his mind on a vote after publicly getting perks for his state is bribery. Plain and simple. I pray they all get voted out of office.
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GOTOSCHOOL
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12-25-09 11:05 AM
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WE HAVE TO HAVE HEALTH CARE REFORM...our system is our system...until WE change it... Barack didn't lie- in the sense of lying- he's an idealist...which in WASH DC USA is wrapped in deals...always has- always will...
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Roscoe
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12-25-09 10:50 AM
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I pay a Senator to vote a certain way, it's illegal & called a bribe. They do it with our money & it's called ???
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Darby1952
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12-25-09 7:47 AM
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This health care bill is a joke. The only reason it has gotten this far of from fat cat politicians bribing other members. WHICH BY THE WAY, IS AGAINST THE LAW LAST TIME I CHECKED. Good Lord the goverment can't run Medicare and Medicaid effeciently, how are they going to do this? All I know is the middle class got it up the keyster again. We will be paying dearly for this one. One other thing, where in the Constitution of the United States does it say the goverment can make you have health care, if fact where does it mention health care at all.
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Sarek
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12-25-09 6:41 AM
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Every step of the way the left wing Democrats have kept this health care debate off-limits to Republicans who have some excellent ideas to help improve health insurance and health care in the country. Obama has lied from the start about wanting to work together and do all negotiations and debates out in the open. No one can deny that he lied to get elected. It is amazing, even to the liberals, to see that this is a totally Democratic bill and the leaders trying to force this through have to bribe most of their Democratic Reps and Senators to get their votes-even when it is THEIR BILL! That shows how crooked the system has become.If they crafted the bill from start to finish, they shouldn't have to be bribed to vote for it! We're in BIG trouble if this gets passed into law. Too bad we all have to pay for those bribes to all of the Democrats for their votes. It's not the way it's supposed to be. Merry Christmas anyway.
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