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7 hours ago.
by Stillhere
BobDahler
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What happened to the "Union Influence in Politics" topic?

Even though I initiated it as the debut topic in the Times forums, I'm happy to realize it has been deleted. It died an ugly death long ago, and should have been executed long before it was. I'm curious though... Why? I am unaware of the travesty that occurred that was sufficiently heinous to warrant it's deletion... As compared to the tripe on ALL the other threads that is evident on a daily basis.

 
 

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luvthesouth

thegreek, are you trying to do that by ear or tab?

Posted 518 days ago.

luvthesouth

btw...i do enjoy a good country ham buscuit. as you may know i prefer Bojangles. they are the best by far.

Posted 519 days ago.

luvthesouth

scrappile...labor in and of itself is very noble and admirable. in that i think you will agree. the labor i was referring to was not individual labor but the organized variety that has morphed into another entity that differs in many ways from the noble ideas at the root of it's creation. my point was and is that organized labor in this day and time is a Special Interest Group. that was the crux of my statement.

Posted 519 days ago.

scrappile

Mow

Posted 519 days ago.

scrappile

LTS- Labor is the noble cause, for even if your income is from your money making money for you, somewhere in that equation, someone is laboring away to let you achieve that. Even if it is the person making that ham biscuit you enjoy, or the farmer making that sugar available, or the grower of the tea you sweetin with the sugar, as you wash down that ham biscuit...think about what a chore it would be, if you had to now your own fairway....OK Rikki, you can eat more paste now....

Posted 519 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker...newsflash: Labor is a special interest. you have been duped into thinking it is actually still a noble cause.

Posted 519 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker...wait til the shake-out from the meeting of the three amigo's.

Posted 521 days ago.

moderation

Governor Walker under investigation in Wisconsin. Who would have thunk a preachers' son would have drawn such legal scrunity?

Posted 521 days ago.

BobDahler

FYI, The expiration date of all labor contracts are agreed upon by MUTUAL CONSENSUS.

Negotiations always occur BEFORE the expiration of any current contract.

Any coincidence you infer to bolster your point is merely... COINCIDENCE.

Posted 522 days ago.

BobDahler

R1KRA8: Irrespective of what Jason Menard? thinks, our kids ARE barganing chips, regardless of who places them there.

We consider alternatives in their best interest, everyday, in every decision we make.

Posted 522 days ago.

BobDahler

Under such circumstance, one COULD achieve the lowest pay, the least benefits, and the poorest working conditions allowed by law for our teachers (AKA: lower taxes).

When it comes to education however, I don't think this should be the primary objective.

Posted 522 days ago.

BobDahler

lts: My point was, that it is counterproductive and uncommon for teachers' union tactics to present the children as hostages. That perception is usually promoted by those who oppose teachers union activity.

Yes, if unionized teachers didn't negotiate, didn't protest, didn't have a strike alternative, and didn't object to scab replacements, everything would be grand for some. But that wouldn't be a union, would it?

Posted 523 days ago.

luvthesouth

start removing the word republican and i might agree that you are "right".

Posted 523 days ago.

luvthesouth

you wrote "If you have that and not your republican hardheadedness there should not be a problem but resolution ! to which i responded. do you see the word republican? i do.

Posted 523 days ago.

luvthesouth

R1KRA8...good morning and thanks for correcting the word "objective" for me. a terrible sinus headache has me a little under the weather today...but then again based on my spelling history, it could be just another normal day.

Posted 523 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker...are all school administrators and boards republican as your blanket statement indicates? i find it odd that with every statement you make you have to slam the republicans..even if they are not there. they are your "boogie-man" aren't they?

Posted 523 days ago.

luvthesouth

abhor as much as you.."It is what it is".

Posted 523 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobDahler, good morning and i appreciate your reasoned perspective. one would think that the teacher unions with their history of protests would recognize the effect that they have on the "third rail" as you call them and not keep repeating the same activity that creates the "third rail" scenario. it is also in their capacity to not hinder any replacement educators so the children can continue in their school experience. that however is unlikely since it is a bargaining tool in which to make the public and administrators concede a hasty resolution. i think it is obvious that many do not choose to protest or vacate their classrooms when school is not in session and they are still under a pre-negotiated contract...which i think the administration would be crazy to sign if it had a walk-out clause. the game plan has always been and will always be to inflict as much pain to gain your obejectives. the unions have no qualms in doing just that. to use your phrase that i a

Posted 523 days ago.

BobDahler

lts: It is undeniable that children and the public are affected by union activity in the school systems, however: To characterize such actions as having the goal of holding the kids hostage for leverage in negotiations is a handy way to demonize unions, but ignores one very important fact. The kids are a "third rail" from a union's negotiating perspective, and every possible effort will be made to avoid placing them in a pawn's position.

Unlike industrial unions, the success of teachers' union activities is solely dependent on the public opinion (and funding) of them. The "roll out the hostages" tactic is generally promoted by negotiators on the other side of the table.

Posted 523 days ago.

luvthesouth

Tiredofit, good evening and nice to see you as well. i was disturbed by the actions of those that many on here herald as being so noble in their plight... but then again they never label others for the actions of a few.

Posted 524 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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