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356 days ago.
by Ohwiseone
BobDahler
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What happened to the "Union Influence in Politics" topic?

Even though I initiated it as the debut topic in the Times forums, I'm happy to realize it has been deleted. It died an ugly death long ago, and should have been executed long before it was. I'm curious though... Why? I am unaware of the travesty that occurred that was sufficiently heinous to warrant it's deletion... As compared to the tripe on ALL the other threads that is evident on a daily basis.

 
 

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absolem

OWO...You have been very vocal about your profession and union affiliation. No guesswork there. Your hero Obama takes exception to anyone accomplishing anything on their own. So us republicans helped you. Personally, I could lay out my financials as well as my work history and you would still spout your crap. You are neither worth the effort nor need to know anymore about me than you do. End of story.

Posted 357 days ago.

absolem

I see from your post that I should have rinsed your binky off.

Posted 357 days ago.

absolem

Ooops...you dropped your binky...wash it off nah...that will cost extra.

Posted 357 days ago.

absolem

OWO...how many people have you personally employed in your "own" business? how many people have you paid more than yourelf and your family? how have you been any more than someone selling their time, skill or talent to someone else? you have apparently earned what you were worth because you were either too lazy, stupid, or ignorant to increase your value or find better representation than those that gave you what you accepted in life and now crab about.

Posted 357 days ago.

absolem

OWO...the Clintons share your skewed sense of economics...you should take your argument up with them and not someone who works both sides of the fence.

Posted 357 days ago.

absolem

NCN...no it is not...i am smart enough not to attempt that job.

Posted 358 days ago.

NasCarNut

which will result in fewer workers being required. outsourcing and a changing global platform for conducting business also affects the labor markets not only here but around the world.

is that you Obama, lol...

Posted 358 days ago.

absolem

numerous to count. who thought there so many sides to the fence. how many dimensions does it take to fully understand the "fence"?

Posted 358 days ago.

absolem

OWO...sorry..i should have said "be quiet about it". two passionate people in a discussion is my only excuse. please allow me to add that you are correct that there are and have been some companies that have abused their workers fro any viewpoint. concede that fact. however, i do not consider it to be the norm, nor do i think it to be a serious enough problem to warrant political and public meandering to solve. most problems involving labor is geographical and environmental in nature. resources drive the movement of business as well as people. for example...look at modern day blighted areas. what businesses were there that allowed them to flourish? what opportunites were offered as a replacement? what did the citizens do to fill the void locally? did the citizens move to areas of opportunity? were opportunities taken by those illegally in the community? there are so many variables as to why some flourish and why some do not. the reasons are many and the arguments too numerou

Posted 358 days ago.

absolem

you could say that but you would be wrong. businesses that do not change, adapt or pursue innovations will not last very long. while people are assets, they are also liabilities and those liabilities add up in costs to a company trying to compete not just locally but globally as well as fending off of the elected vultures that try to pick a bone clean at each opportunity. i have many times suggested that many should start their own business and treat their employee's the way they want others too. the difference is that you are risking your money, your business and your families livelihood. will you eat of of a garbage can so your employees can eat steak? yes or no? if no thenn STFU about it. if yes, then prove it.

Posted 358 days ago.

absolem

OWO...whos said anything about being out of the working climate? i never claimed that. it doesn't take a Ray Charles to see that innovation and mechanization has changed many of the labor intentive processes, which will result in fewer workers being required. outsourcing and a changing global platform for conducting business also affects the labor markets not only here but around the world. yes...we all love our cheaply made baubles and we all buy them. even the wealthy...perhaps not the super-wealthy who have a veritable printing press delivering cash to them by the minute need to concern themselves with mundane travalities like a products cost. your singular corporate worldview answer of "GREED" is not end-all or catch-all for the ill's of our nations economic and labor woes. read up a bit on the subject....start by skipping "The Daily Kos" and your ever-present Democratic Newsletter or Republican hit list as i call it.

Posted 358 days ago.

absolem

*creating the consumer class.

Posted 358 days ago.

absolem

Stillhere...the problem our friend OWO has is that they are so conditioned that they have failed to see the working climate change. there are so many well-trained and educated folks that are competing for jobs that having the organized skilled trademen and tradeswomen are not as in demand anymore. as products, services and goods have changed, the requirements of such have changed. like the Dinosaurs, time is leaving many behind. it is sad that many fines craftspeople are left to home workshops and niche markets in which to ply their trade. our leadership has done a fine job in reating the consumer class....the problem was that it seems to be at the cost of the production class. there are millions of jobs that would come available should those here illegally would leave. perhaps a triple-tax on them to support those whom they displace would be a start. but then again...who said an American would take their vacated job? the security net has become a security nest instead for many.

Posted 358 days ago.

absolem

What's scary is you still believe that. Today is not the same as wehn Unions started or haven't you noticed. as i have stated before, moderanization as well as innovation along with becoming more of a global marketplace for buying, selling and producing have long since contributed to the lack of opportunities for unions to offer as much bang for the buck in many instances. the federal government and the success of your predecessors were instrumental in your decline as well. you should look at the whole picture...not just those you have been conditioned to demonize.

Posted 359 days ago.

absolem

I am so confused...please 'splain.

Posted 359 days ago.

moderation

I am talking about collective bargaining,..... whachu talkn bout?

Posted 359 days ago.

moderation

You make my point

Posted 359 days ago.

moderation

Collective bargaining is as much of a right as is the right to 'practice' capitalism.

Posted 359 days ago.

absolem

never forget...people died and sacrficed to create the enterprises for which you wish to parasite off of.

Posted 359 days ago.

absolem

OWO...if it is indeed true, as Trump claims, that Ford is building a production facility in Mexico. that Ross Perot S uc king Sound you hear will be the Illegals heading back across the Rio Grande to get a job that an American could certainly use. Part of being part of a world economy also means that someone has to lose for others to gain. personally i think most feel we are tired of losing.

Posted 360 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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