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25 days ago.
by Ohwiseone
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Obamacare is not "FREE" health care

People have finally realized that the word “free” is nowhere to be found in Obamacare’s “ Affordable Health Care Act”. Coverage under President Barack Obama's health care law won't be cheap. A study released Thursday by the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation found that government tax credits would lower the sticker price on a benchmark "silver" policy to a little over $190 a month for single people making about $29,000, regardless of their age. For uninsured people who are paying nothing today, this is still a big cost that they're expected to fit into their budgets.

 
 

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luvthesouth

asknot...there is a reason why i am not in a position to solve the problem...that reason is i am too darn smart to put myself in that position. seriously though...i have mentioned in the past several ideas regarding your question of how to solve the manufactured healthcare crisis. just accepting an inferior product and saying"well that's the best they can do" is not a wise or lasting decision. anybody can just "do something", but really any bum on the street can suggest something...you know it may even work better than this catastrophe that so many are defending. it is my opinion tat in time, just like a rotting corspe, sooner or later it will be reduced to dust and some will be having this discussion again and again and again.

Posted 253 days ago.

luvthesouth

the time for good reason. i think many have forgotten that everyone had access to some form of healthcare if desired as well as free healthcare. you would have been surprised at the number of charitable organizations, doctors themselves and hospitals that took care of the many health problems of our citizens at sometimes little or not cost. so end the Bobbarker...what would you tell your democratic leaders to do to fix this problem...he has a pen and will use it.

Posted 253 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker, first off...thank you for your reasoned response..it is most appreciated. i think you in person on these forums should be hammering the democrats to clean up their own mess. you have a democratic president, that modifies unconstitutionly the law, you have democratic lawmakers that are distancing themselves from the law as far as possible, and you have the people the united states more than confused and confounded with the reid, pelosi, and obama healthcare law. i think your constant criticism and lambasting of the republicans for the mess that the democrats not only dreamed up but wanted immensely is sorely mis-directed. with that said....if we are going to have the program then when is the opportune time for all to feel the pain in the pocket for the law? you can only put off for so long before either the money is borrowed (creating debt) or money is retrieved from everyone's back-pocket (except for exempted groups and certain people). healthcare is expensive and most of t

Posted 253 days ago.

thegreek

By John Roberts February 10, 2014 BATON ROUGE, La. – At Frank's Restaurant, a popular diner outside Baton Rouge, the motto is "It's All Good." But if the regulars here are any indication, for Louisiana Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu -- it's turning very bad. "I voted for Mary Landrieu," said Karen Parson. "I voted for her every year. But I won't be voting for her this year." "Up until this point, I think she has done a good job," Parson said. "This point" is her vote for the Affordable Care Act -- ObamaCare -- which is not popular in Louisiana. In fact, recent polls show that 54 percent of Louisianans say they are less likely to vote for Landrieu because of that law.

Posted 253 days ago.

luvthesouth

going to remedy 1/6th of the american economy and impact so many lives...don't cha think they could and should have done better than this?

Posted 254 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot..the democrats wrote the law with the intent of everyone paying. no sooner than the ink dried the president and the democrats began the exemption process. then he delayed the corporate mandate. then he asked the insurance companies to allow to extend the time before changing policies. so far he has not delayed the individual mandate....but that is coming. the vast majority that have signed up are already on a taxpayer paid for program. many others that are signing up are doing so and just paying the penalty which is well below what the premium should be...thats a loser. the democrats in their political wisdom passed a defective law, knew it was defective, knew that it may take the republicans to dirty their hands by enacting the payments, the payroll deductions and collections by the I.R.S. this of course will make them very popular with the voters. the democrats have had since the infancy of hillarycare to get it right and they did it to the pooch on this one. if they are goin

Posted 254 days ago.

exofDevola

I give up on this discussion. There are so many people who refuse to admit they need healthcare. They claim not to affordit and say they are perfectly healthy. Sometimes , healthy one day is not healthy the next. Then they are sorry, and its too bad ,because being a patient in a charity hospital is not good.

Posted 254 days ago.

luvthesouth

the road.

Posted 254 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot...sure but i was headed bcak to watch the olympics....:-) munster...er...BobBarker has on many occasions blamed the republicans for not working hard enough..inially any really... to fix the problems(so many major) with the law. that is why i addressed the comment to him. the healthcare system is not going to radically change into some utopia of medical care. the biggest change will be the flow of money.. we are still going to be spiraling in debt to fund the shortfalls that are ineviable. the lower and middle class will suffer if the law is implemented as it is written. nobody and i repeat nobody likes to pay out of their own pocket for what the governemnt provides(i think we have been conditioned to think we are not the government). you can rest assured that the politicians will borrow as much as they can to delay the pain in the pocket for the massive money pit that this law creates. the clinking sound is not the quarter in your tin cup but the can of debt being kicked down t

Posted 254 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker...i think many thought it would be. i also think it is takes a certain amount of nerve to even suggest that the republicans have any obligation to fix this train wreck legislation crafted and heralded by the democrats. right or wrong they wrote it, passed it, signed it, and then promptly began to carve it apart, back-peddle on it,..... and then had the unmitigated gall to ask(demand) the evil insurance companies save their bottoms all the while demonizing them. although it is good to see that some of the democrats have finally taken Pelosi's advice and read the darn thing...guess what..many don't like it either.

Posted 254 days ago.

thegreek

Why did that guy write a book on it havinf drawbacks and it being free??????

Posted 254 days ago.

thegreek

Seeing the point now are you?

Posted 260 days ago.

thegreek

They (wrongly) call me a racist and bigot again I will call them a crackhead for their beliefs.

Posted 260 days ago.

luvthesouth

Tiredofit...he may just do that but he would be mistaken. this information did not originate or come from fox news nor am i racist. it just seems like the relatively few things he touts as being the end all for his loyal support verses the seemingly real and potential pitfalls of the law do not offset each other or even begin to make it as palatable as we may desire. we were sold a defective product and have been consistently told how great it is while it unravels before our eyes....but we are wrong in what we see. as with Obama's Nobel Peace Prize...it is not what it is but what he dreams it will be.

Posted 260 days ago.

thegreek

Good research LTS.

Posted 260 days ago.

luvthesouth

performance based to simple income weighting. that is all that has occured. considering the defectiveness of the product we have been forced to buy, i doubt in your everyday purchasing of your own goods and services that many would tolerate the bumbling attempt to re-do something as critical as one's healthcare.. but many of you support it without as much as a whimper. i can only hope to get in the position where i only draw and won't give a rats behind what they do...sort of like the 6 million that signed up for the "new" great plan where they went from one taxpayer paid program to another....big whoop.

Posted 260 days ago.

luvthesouth

in addition, the beneflex program used to allow folks to have approx. $5,0000.00 annually taken tax-free out of their paycheck to be used for healthcare related goods and services...that has been slashed to approx. $2,500.00 per participant. that 50% reduction has a profound effect on those middle-income wage earners with the loss of $2,500.00 tax-free dollars that they used to provide for themselves and their family. that was all due to Obamacare. the so-called "benefits" that you seem to tout such as 26 y.o. kids that should be out on their own, birth control for those that either don't understand the word control or are to cheap or stupid to provide their own, the potential scam and ultimate costs to the insurance companies as well as the american taxpayer for the "pre-existing condition provision, and the removal of weighted fees due to historical and documented costs based on gender is ludacris. the weighted premiums have been shifted from medically proven performa

Posted 260 days ago.

luvthesouth

generations will pay $71.3 trillion in payroll taxes but will receive $93.4 trillion in benefits. Adjusting for past and future transfers from the federal Treasury, the difference between "paid-in" and "paid-out" works out to $21.6 trillion." the systems we have in place hedge their bets just like the insurance companies. they are banking on you not making it much past retirement age. either way the government through borrowed monies makes up the shortfall wit nary a complaint...especially by those drawing out and not paying in.

Posted 260 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred, i took the liberty of looking into my claim about paying less than what many fortunate folks will take out of not only S.S. and Medicare. this is what i found to substantiate my claim. the following assumes a starting working age of 22 until the then current retirement age of 65. this also assumes continous employment at a steady rate of income. " According to the institute’s data, a two-earner couple receiving an average wage — $44,600 per spouse in 2012 dollars — and turning 65 in 2010 would have paid $722,000 into Social Security and Medicare and can be expected to take out $966,000 in benefits. So, this couple will be paid about one-third more in benefits than they paid in taxes." "the Social Security shortfall will be more than evened out by the extra dollars the couple gets back from Medicare. The couple will have paid $122,000 in Medicare taxes but will receive $387,000 in benefits — more than three times what they paid in." "past and current gene

Posted 260 days ago.

luvthesouth

good morning asknot...sorry i missed being able to say hi to you last night. to be truthful...i finally got around to finding an older memory card for a playstation and was trying out some of the older games. plus the interruption by a poster kind of put the turd in the punchbowl for me.

Posted 260 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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