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188 days ago.
by asknot
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When should a person be punished for stating an opinion?

As many people might know, 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson gave an interview to GQ Magazine and gave his colorful opinion on different social topics. The response from various groups made A&E pull him from the show. So the discussion is, if someone is asked for their opinion and gives it willingly, should they be punished afterward?

 
 

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thegreek

And - I am not picking and choosing parts of the bible. I will be the first to admit that I am not proficient at it like you must be. Not everyone has equal intelligence and I will be the 1st to admit I am not on top like you. I choose to trust Gods word

Posted 211 days ago.

thegreek

I never diminished racism doesnt exist. I simply said that the people that holler the loadest about it are not even experiencing it, in many cases. And I didnt say I was frustrated about expressing MY opinion, just that every time a person doesnt say "oh yeah thats right" to everything related to the subject it gets twisted into that person exhibiting racism. I am not gonna tell you about physically and vocally defending my minority friends, or my minority relatives, or my gay neice, or my black santa display, or giving money to my minority friends/neighbors because they are broke because it is no ones business and I hate to bust your "he posted this and he must be a racist" bubble.. Tweet that to your friends. But like in your gay marriage debate, you continue to evade questions, deflect and twist arguments! - Asknot. Re read my posts. I have already stated my positione. I dont know how much clearer I can state it. You simply prefer not to accept it.!! And - I am

Posted 211 days ago.

stickhauler

The study was done in the Great Miami Valley area (Dayton/Fairborn), not Marietta. I haven't lived in Marietta since 1985. So, if a Black salesperson treats me badly, is that racism? Of course not, it's simply a salesperson that will force me to decide if I want to take the crap they deal out, or become a patron of a place where salespeople understand that if they mistreat any customer, they cost their employer business.

Up here, despite the fact that industry up here recruited Appalachians to work in their plants years ago, many people whose family lived here prior to then have ill feelings towards Appalachians. I had an accent when I moved here (still do), and many times when I was interviewed for jobs, was let know that I wouldn't be hired because of my accent. But, I wasn't filing lawsuits for discrimination. I knew those employers failed to see that they'd refused to hire a worker who would work their butt off for them, and be loyal to a fault. Their loss.

Posted 211 days ago.

thegreek

With accusations like rasist, homophobe, bigot, it is no wonder there will never be any worthwhile discussion on these subjects. You typed that about a few of us stating our opinions here. As I have told you I do not care who is right about the age of the earth. My faith is not blind as Phils isnt either. We have our own experiences that I would not type here because you would pick them apart and make fun of them and then accuse us of judging. No thanks.

Posted 211 days ago.

thegreek

And LIBERALS..

Posted 211 days ago.

thegreek

Most of them that I saw on TV and other blogs have no problem with what Phil said except Jesse Jackson and GLAAD!! They may not agree with the content but it is mostly people (including you)trying to stir up stuff by making an issue of it

Posted 211 days ago.

stickhauler

You're trying to read into my statement what you want it to mean (for whatever reason). I never said poor white people were victims of racism, I said they were discriminated against. Big difference!

I went through a class several years ago conducted by the group that at that time went by "Council of Christians & Jews". The basis of the class was to gauge perceptions of acts towards people of differing racial/religious/economic/and family heritage. They asked the same questions to these groups to learn how they perceived rude behavior by sales people, stuff like that.

By near a 100% level, Blacks saw rude treatment by sales people as racism, while Appalachians by near the same percentages just saw the sales person's actions as rude.

Posted 211 days ago.

thegreek

Also. As for the topic here. I always thought that "unless a person has personally endured racism, be it because of their sexual preference or the color of their skin" they have no right to speak to others about the effects or results of that racism. It always bothers me when white people say how bad the blacks were treated and when straight people say how bad LGBT's have it. Everyone already knows that !!!And I am sure it bothers the brothers and sisters too. AND Phil Robertson is not an elected official or the pope. He is a common guy that has the freedom to express his opinion. GQ should not have asked him his opinion if they didnt like hearing it !!Look at the CRAP GQ spews anyhow !!!People dont like what Phil has to say then dont go hear him speak!! But OH WAIT his church is FULL...

Posted 211 days ago.

thegreek

Asknot. Let me get this straight. You quit going to a Christian College because the age of the earth tripped you up, and because there was a difference in science and the Written Word and none of the scholars could explain it to you satisfactorily.!!!??? So you trashed your entire concept of what you believe in and now you use that as the "reason" why Jesus cannot exist and there is no God and the Bible is wrong ??? And you want me to correct what scholars cannot, in your mind. OK here is my answer. I trust the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost account and if you had a lick of sense, you would too. Satan sure didnt have to spend much time wrangling you away from the Lord did he?

Posted 211 days ago.

stickhauler

asknot, were you there? I wasn't either. The fact remains, his statement was based on his perception as a child. When you were a child, did you recognize all the wrongs of the world, or did your parents shield you from the starker realities of the world like mine did?

Given the much lower numbers of minorities around the Mid-Ohio Valley back when I was growing up, why wasn't there even more discrimination there? Or are you claiming the residents there were so much more into diversity in the 50's & 60's?

You talk like hanging folks was an everyday occurrence in every community in the South in those days. It wasn't. And, since neither of us experienced Robertson's life as a child, your claims are based more on an opinion that he's lying about how he saw things back then, than any fact.

Posted 211 days ago.

stickhauler

asknot, that's where you are totally wrong! Poor whites were treated just as poorly in those days, read a little history before you slam people. Still to these days, poor whites are looked down upon, while discrimination against Blacks is illegal.

Posted 211 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot...perhaps thegreek deserves the chance to research the subject take your challenge if they desire...if his effort does not suffice then i will be willing to give you my thoughts. although i think you can find the answer if you truely desired.

Posted 211 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation...i guess you missed the part where i agreed with you. in case you were wondering christians still make mistakes and some even on purpose.

Posted 211 days ago.

moderation

claim of associated character defects

Posted 211 days ago.

moderation

"one could argue that..........,"mas malarkey. phil's 'character' is a hippocrite. His character is supposed to portray his (phil's)'godly way'. this is about saint phil, simply, not someone's mother cast as whatever, or Barry or the silent 'minority'.

Posted 211 days ago.

moderation

good early a m ,lts - in the words of old joe,"malarkey". be they commonly held views among the "less vocal of our society" or not,they are bigoted,and the accuracy of their associated character defects lacks proof.

Posted 211 days ago.

thegreek

I would say Phils travels as a kid were where his 2 feet could take him. Probably a mile or so from where he lived. It is not like he was jetsetting all over Louisiana seeing the country and many people and making his statement today. His world was a very small world because he was poor. Creeks, ponds, hunting in the woods in his spare time when he wasnt helping the family survive. Is that so hard to fathom?

Posted 212 days ago.

stickhauler

For God's sake, Robertson's comments about Blacks during the "Jim Crow" law era was based on his perceptions as a young child. A young child just as disadvantaged as the Blacks he was working along side of. A poor, young white kid, working just as hard labor as the Black field hands. And given the same respect from the landowners as they gave the Black field hands.

Seems to me some folks are still trying to paint his words to mean what they want rather than what was said.

Posted 212 days ago.

thegreek

I am sure in my mind that Phil was a poor boy that didnt travel much as a kid either. I think it even explains that in their books. So he probably didnt see much racism where he was at. They were just all trying to survive.

Posted 212 days ago.

thegreek

Most people didnt travel much as a kid in the 50's and 60's. I know I sure didnt. I have heard and can remember some gas station that weren't open on Sundays back then. I had never even knew black kids existed until 1st grade when there were a set of twin boys we met We are all friends and neighbors now.

Posted 212 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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