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492 days ago.
by asknot
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When should a person be punished for stating an opinion?

As many people might know, 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson gave an interview to GQ Magazine and gave his colorful opinion on different social topics. The response from various groups made A&E pull him from the show. So the discussion is, if someone is asked for their opinion and gives it willingly, should they be punished afterward?

 
 

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Kunectdots

That's OK! I've already reported YOU for "abuse" with the web keeper and printed off a copy of your comments for safe keeping. HAPPY TWEETING!

Posted 514 days ago.

Kunectdots

BTW (My Dear) How would you KNOW who to "tweet out" about me?

Posted 514 days ago.

Kunectdots

asknot - It may come as no surprise to you that I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK! I didn't sat squat 'over the past few days' about Blacks. You and oneill are just wishing I would.

I thought a little higher of you, on here, asknot. Now, I can see that you're no better than oneill.

Posted 514 days ago.

Kunectdots

Oh, oneill...if you only knew me! When my son's were growing up, they had many Black friends over at the house to spend the night. We'd introduce them to the movie "Blazing Saddles", they'd laugh there butts of and some would run out to buy a copy of the movie the next day. To this day, one of those young men still says he's "gonna come over and wash my robes" (a suggestion to the non-existent "sheets", to which you refer). In high school, my best friend was Black and we put away many a bottle of Red Ripple, Boones Farm and Andre Cold Duck around a campfire. He is still a dear and trusted friend. Without revealing where I reside, I can honestly say that I come as close to 'livin in the Hood' as you can in my town and I appreciate all of my neighbors, having known several for decades.

Can YOU say as much, oneill? I'll tell ya, I wouldn't trade my life for what I perceive your's as being for all the tea in Boston Harbor. (Do they still make Red Ripple?)

Posted 514 days ago.

Kunectdots

Yes, but can I shout "theater!" in a crowded firehouse?

Posted 514 days ago.

Kunectdots

"alright, We'll give some land to the N...s and the Chinks. But we don't want the Irish".

Placate the Irish and you'll end with oneill!!!!

Posted 514 days ago.

Kunectdots

Hey stick, "Dock that Chink a day's pay for nappin on the job."

Posted 514 days ago.

stickhauler

Cont No, I can't imagine how it was to be a slave, nor can I imagine the horrors our countrymen visited on immigrants from many countries. Or how it was to be a Native American when our countrymen drove them from their lands.

Our country has a sordid history of extreme cruelty to lots of people, not just slaves, or Free Blacks. But, we don't see leaders of all those people calling for reparations.!

So, think what you wish of me, call me a bigot or a racist, but I assure you, I don't have a bigoted or racist bone in my body. I expect nothing of anyone more than what was expected of me. If I wanted something, I worked my butt off to achieve it. If I failed, I didn't blame my failure on some nefarious plot against me. I put it down as a failure on my part, that I must not have tried hard enough.

Posted 515 days ago.

stickhauler

Matter of fact, out of 30 people in that class, 25 were Black. And offended that they had included Appalachians in the groups asked these questions.

Everyone discriminates, it's a fact of life. Even animals do. But, most don't view this discrimination as an actionable offense, they're not seeking to file lawsuits to make the person (or company) they feel discriminated pay for their actions.

Have you any idea how many people of all nationalities were brought here, perhaps not in chains, but brought here under false pretenses, and forced to work for pennies? And treated as bad, if not worse, than Blacks under slavery. Because, slave owners knew each slave cost them a certain dollar amount to acquire. Check out how many Chinese were brought here to complete the Transcontinental Railroad, and, if they died from unsafe work conditions, tough luck. The people running the construction simply "plugged in" another worker. Same goes with the Panama Canal.

No, I can't imagine how it

Posted 515 days ago.

stickhauler

The study was done in the Great Miami Valley area (Dayton/Fairborn), not Marietta. I haven't lived in Marietta since 1985. So, if a Black salesperson treats me badly, is that racism? Of course not, it's simply a salesperson that will force me to decide if I want to take the crap they deal out, or become a patron of a place where salespeople understand that if they mistreat any customer, they cost their employer business.

Up here, despite the fact that industry up here recruited Appalachians to work in their plants years ago, many people whose family lived here prior to then have ill feelings towards Appalachians. I had an accent when I moved here (still do), and many times when I was interviewed for jobs, was let know that I wouldn't be hired because of my accent. But, I wasn't filing lawsuits for discrimination. I knew those employers failed to see that they'd refused to hire a worker who would work their butt off for them, and be loyal to a fault. Their loss.

Posted 515 days ago.

stickhauler

You're trying to read into my statement what you want it to mean (for whatever reason). I never said poor white people were victims of racism, I said they were discriminated against. Big difference!

I went through a class several years ago conducted by the group that at that time went by "Council of Christians & Jews". The basis of the class was to gauge perceptions of acts towards people of differing racial/religious/economic/and family heritage. They asked the same questions to these groups to learn how they perceived rude behavior by sales people, stuff like that.

By near a 100% level, Blacks saw rude treatment by sales people as racism, while Appalachians by near the same percentages just saw the sales person's actions as rude.

Posted 515 days ago.

stickhauler

asknot, were you there? I wasn't either. The fact remains, his statement was based on his perception as a child. When you were a child, did you recognize all the wrongs of the world, or did your parents shield you from the starker realities of the world like mine did?

Given the much lower numbers of minorities around the Mid-Ohio Valley back when I was growing up, why wasn't there even more discrimination there? Or are you claiming the residents there were so much more into diversity in the 50's & 60's?

You talk like hanging folks was an everyday occurrence in every community in the South in those days. It wasn't. And, since neither of us experienced Robertson's life as a child, your claims are based more on an opinion that he's lying about how he saw things back then, than any fact.

Posted 515 days ago.

stickhauler

asknot, that's where you are totally wrong! Poor whites were treated just as poorly in those days, read a little history before you slam people. Still to these days, poor whites are looked down upon, while discrimination against Blacks is illegal.

Posted 515 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot...perhaps thegreek deserves the chance to research the subject take your challenge if they desire...if his effort does not suffice then i will be willing to give you my thoughts. although i think you can find the answer if you truely desired.

Posted 515 days ago.

luvthesouth

moderation...i guess you missed the part where i agreed with you. in case you were wondering christians still make mistakes and some even on purpose.

Posted 515 days ago.

moderation

claim of associated character defects

Posted 515 days ago.

moderation

"one could argue that..........,"mas malarkey. phil's 'character' is a hippocrite. His character is supposed to portray his (phil's)'godly way'. this is about saint phil, simply, not someone's mother cast as whatever, or Barry or the silent 'minority'.

Posted 515 days ago.

moderation

good early a m ,lts - in the words of old joe,"malarkey". be they commonly held views among the "less vocal of our society" or not,they are bigoted,and the accuracy of their associated character defects lacks proof.

Posted 515 days ago.

stickhauler

For God's sake, Robertson's comments about Blacks during the "Jim Crow" law era was based on his perceptions as a young child. A young child just as disadvantaged as the Blacks he was working along side of. A poor, young white kid, working just as hard labor as the Black field hands. And given the same respect from the landowners as they gave the Black field hands.

Seems to me some folks are still trying to paint his words to mean what they want rather than what was said.

Posted 516 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobDahler, i'll assume that you are doing well and appreciate your riddling response. you do seem require a bit more thinking of a chap when conversing. this subject is interesting in that i recently came across a family obitiuary from 1939 in which many of you might find interesting. at least i did. it said quite a bit about race relations during that time period. it actually validates phils description of black farm hands and black folk in general. although you won't read any of this in most history books as it does not fir the narrative that is being promoted. i work off of the belief that if you take any two different race people and drop them into a situation together, they will come together to solve problems quicker than two lonely teenagers on prom night.

Posted 516 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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