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238 days ago.
by BeRight
Kendall78
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Arizona's SB1062 Legal or Illegal?

The state legislature of AZ passed this and it awaits for Gov. Brewer to either sign it into law or Veto it. Basically put, it allows owners of businesses to refuse to serve people if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. So, is it a good bill? Bad? Legal or illegal?

 
 

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exofDevola

LTS to be a good Christian you don't feel you are better more holier than your neighbor Jesus who loved all the children of the world was the person who died for the worlds sins /to say I can discrimayr against you because of my religious beliefs is not Christian . And good morning to you also.

Posted 241 days ago.

thegreek

Asknot - well worth the embarassment huh?? give me a break

No give me a break!! God you are impossible. It is obvious you nevcr did anything like that..!!! I weigh over 200 lbs, hair on my back and and had to wear a dang bathing suit OKAY ??? Get OFF MY CASE. I wasn't embarrassed to be dressed like the opposite sex. JEESSSHHH..

Posted 241 days ago.

thegreek

I could agree to give asknot some gold bars and he would growl that I left fingerprints on them !

Posted 241 days ago.

luvthesouth

exofDevola...good morning. i am just curious. what do you consider one must do to be christian and how do they maintain that label?

Posted 241 days ago.

exofDevola

Arizona has aways been very strange, the bill is not even disguised, it's discrimination plain and simple. People can refuse service to gay people or people they think might be gay , is no different than refusing people because of their color. I can't believe you can justify that. Wrong is wrong, And merchants that claim to be for the bill from their so called Christian belief system are certain to have a big problem. What they are doing is in effect saying I'm so much better than you therefore, you can't come in my store, and you cant do anything to me because. Im protected by the law Really Christian, huh?

Posted 241 days ago.

Caspiansynn

In the end who are the real losers? Is it the customers that can easily patronize another business, or is it thee business owners who are chasing money out the door and to their competitors?

Posted 241 days ago.

Caspiansynn

While I have not had a chance to review the Az. law and I'm not likely to either, I do support the right of private business owners to serve or refuse to serve anyone at their discretion with or without reason, I also support the right of customers to patronize the businesses of their choice with or without reason. Not only is it a matter of personal liberty it is also called Capitalism.

Posted 241 days ago.

exofDevola

Greek and ask not, common ground at last!

Posted 242 days ago.

thegreek

You ever dressed up like a woman for a charity?? I have.. Even shaved my beard for it. Had a blast. Relay For Life. Even won Miss Relay. Does that sound like a homophobe to you?? AND I said I liked it !!! The smiles on those cancer survivors was well worth the embarrassment !! Even had my daughter put my makeup on to look like Tammy Faye Baker, God rest her soul..There you go, off again. I freakin give up arguing about this. And have you ever asked yourself how this law would be enforced?? Good friggin night all.

Posted 242 days ago.

thegreek

I wasn't quick to lay insults. That came over time of you nitpicking my posts and calling me stupid, idiot, homophobe, racist etc. That was the only thing I could say to get you riled up. I apologize OK? Let me ask you if you have any devout friends that attend church all the time? If you do, do you think that they would have any problem with this if their child were a server and these people raised their kids to morally object to this?? Again, I hope I don't have to put a disclaimer on all my posts before people quit killing the messenger on this site.

Posted 242 days ago.

exofDevola

And so meant as not being as bad, is really too late,

Posted 242 days ago.

exofDevola

Sorry not Morley, , Moral objection ,is too late.

Posted 242 days ago.

exofDevola

Greek, no discrimination is correct, racially or gender, or sexually oriented. That you believe , one the sexually oriented patrons , is understandable because ome prope might have a Morley objection to it , means you just font get it. Sorry because I know you probably are not a homophobe , but because you excuse as being not the dad, well sorry discrimination is just that. One type is not worse or better than the other, it all bad.

Posted 242 days ago.

thegreek

No I am not. The race thing is totally different. Like comparing apples to oranges. (a quote from you). Some people have a moral objection to this. It is a free country. If you deny that then you have your head into the sand and there will not be any dialog about anything. Imagine if the law passes how much hard feelings there would be. Both from the server and the people denied service. I think it is a dangerous law.

Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot and exofdevola....i guess it will be prudent to leave it at that. it is unfortunate that the zeal of the debate clouds one's ability to realize common ground when it presents itself.

Posted 242 days ago.

thegreek

Why is that asknot. I thought it was a good one. Those people aren't hurting anyone. Some people are pretty morally offended by this. I AM NOT SAYING I AM so don't get all wound up. I would serve them no problem. Contrary to what you think I believe, I have no personal problem with it !! I just like to pi55 you off and I apologize for that.

Posted 242 days ago.

thegreek

It is stupid. The answer to every problem is NOT more laws. If a server has a problem with this, they should quietly ask another server to trade tables with them.

Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

the particulars about the person to me is irrelevent. it is the action that is undesirable and not the person...unless their level of cleaniness warrants attention...then it becomes personal. 8-)

Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

gentlemen....stop and think for a moment. in your haste to defend your postition i think you have overlooked a few stated positions in my posts. 1) i agreed that all should be served. 2) i stated that there are reasons that some people of all persuasions are refused service. 3) i should not be compelled by law to violate my recognized religious beliefs. 4) not all religious beliefs are the same. 5) i have zero problem selling my products or having any company i am associated with serve anyone unless it violates an established law. 6) i do not support the law as it is written. i think it needs to be more specific if it is designed to protect and preserve anyone's freedom of religion. exofdevola...while i respect your question regarding the catholic bar owner, i will only respond to you thusly...the right of the patrons to not be harrassed by any other patron to me would allow the offending patron to be requested to leave, assisted in leaving or have them removed by law enforcement. the

Posted 242 days ago.

exofDevola

I would also like you to explain it LTS, lets say I'm a catholic bartender, and in walks a baptist quoting scripture and telling my customers, it's against Gods word to,be in be in my establishment drinking. In my church and opinion ,I disagree with him.,does that mean I can throw him out? I don't think so. He'd have to be preventing me from serving my customers. Somehow I don't think hiding behind my religion by saying I don't tolerate you because sorry my faith is better than yours.

Posted 242 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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