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238 days ago.
by BeRight
Kendall78
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Arizona's SB1062 Legal or Illegal?

The state legislature of AZ passed this and it awaits for Gov. Brewer to either sign it into law or Veto it. Basically put, it allows owners of businesses to refuse to serve people if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. So, is it a good bill? Bad? Legal or illegal?

 
 

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exofDevola

Lts, you say one thing , but then the however word.I can see you say but conduct that is unacceptable. What conduct? We are talking eating here. It's really a fine line to say no one will be denied food because of sexual orientation, but then if you don't like the way the gay couple looked at each other out they go? And ask not just said they kissed, then out they go? Personally I just want eat, I could care less if the couple next to me is kissing is gay or straight, I m hoping not hear the f word as a verb, noun & adjective. I don't want to look at someone's dirty feet or bare chest( a health issue) but the minute you start saying your conduct is objectionable to me that could mean anything most likely I think you're gay,, that's discrimination, and illegal except in Arizona.

Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker.....are you dense?????....i am agreeing with you. i am just pointing out that there are reasons that exist for denying service. a person being gay is not one of them unless the requested service undeniably compels a person to be compromise their faith and that will be decided by the courts.

Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

may i repeat for those that do not understand. "let me be perfectly clear. goods or service should not be denied if offered to others unless it compells one to violate or compromise their faith. 99.9% of businesses would not even be asked to do that." i am agreeing that people should not be denied service...however, there are circumstances that allow service to either be denied or the patrons being asked to leave. that is ultimately decided by the courts as to the legality. in addition certain actions can be taken when other customers express their displeasure or discomfort with "any" activity or situation.

Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

exofDevola...let me be perfectly clear. goods or service should not be denied if offered to others unless it compells one to violate or compromise their faith. 99.9% of businesses would not even be asked to do that. however, conduct within establishments should allow relief based on the owners discretion. service can be denied based on several reasons legally. i think that any and all should be tested by the court systems...don't you? i mean who hasn't seen the no shirt...no shoes...no service signs posted?

Posted 242 days ago.

exofDevola

Lts, I see exactly where Kendall is going . Letmsatb your family restaurant has a sign up saying this a family business. All people using profanity , or acting in a profane manner,will be asked to leave, In walks an openly gay couple, they just want to eat in fact,they have their child with them who is also hungry. They have not done anything but order their food. However they look gay to the owner, and she believes that in her religion is profane, so she kicks them out. That is discrimination right there. And what if the couple was not a couple, it was a gay woman , a straight woman and child and they want to eat . But the owner thinks this is wrong , so out they all go, again okay with the owner , but not illegal, but in Arizona it can now happen.it is is one terrible law.

Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

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Posted 242 days ago.

luvthesouth

Kendall78, you comment should end any discussion beyond your point. however, it must be noted that although service should not be denied based on sexual orientation, refusal of service for conduct as well as any others decided on in court would be justified. one can be denied service based on their exercise of free speech. for example, we have a family-oriented restaurant that has a prominant sign that states no profanity allowed. this lends the question as to what is profane? most common conduct codes are based on community standards and thus can vary across the nation. the only rub that i can see is where forced participation in actions that compel a business owner or anyone for that matter to compromise their religion. if one can be forced or compelled to abandon their faith could they also be forced or compelled to accept the same?

Posted 242 days ago.

Kendall78

This bill has potential to effect many other states in our nation...if it would pass the Arizona Gov. Let's say it did pass, would other Republican dominated state governments begin to work other such laws into their states?

Personally I think it's a bad law and will be eliminated. Either by the AZ Gov or eventually by the US Supreme Court.

A person may have individual rights of freedom of religion but when you open a business to the public, you cannot discriminate against specific facets of the public.

Posted 242 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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