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407 days ago.
by luvthesouth
Kendall78
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Forgetting history, a sin of the Republic

I was reading about the difficulty of Pres. Obama's pick getting the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division top position. His name is Debo Adegbile and the main criticism is that as a lawyer he defended a cop killer. Did Congress forget that everyone is entitled to a defense?

 
 

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How about chickadee ?

Posted 411 days ago.

stickhauler

I realize there's conflicting stories that favor either side of the debate. However, the murder weapon was registered to the defendant, and he was at the scene near the firearm. He had a single wound from a bullet fired by the deceased officer.

It would be criminal for a court to allow a defendant being tried for murder, with death penalty prosecution on the table, to represent themselves. Even if the defendant was an attorney, skilled in death penalty cases. That was a "trick" he was trying to use so if convicted, he could immediately scream inadequate representation.

Posted 412 days ago.

stickhauler

"Racial Bias" of the jury is what Adegbile and others contended in the amicus brief they filed on behalf of Abu-Jamal's appeal. Don't tell me, you ignored the link for the article in the WSJ that I posted with Toomey's objections to Adegbile's confirmation?

Posted 413 days ago.

stickhauler

The appeals court found that improper jury instructions as they pertained to that single aspect, the death sentence, was flawed, and they reduced Abu-Jamal's sentence to life in prison. How you assume improper jury instructions regarding the death penalty affirms that the jury was racially biased amazes me.

As with all jury trials, the jury is seated before the trial starts. Jury instructions come after both the prosecution and defense present their case. To claim racial bias after the trial has ended is basically "playing the race card" to ignore the fact that the prosecution presented their evidence, and a "jury of his peers" convicted Abu-Jamal of the crimes he was accused of committing.

Do you want an Assistant AG over the Civil Rights division that concludes that most prosecutions of Blacks are racially biased? I don't!

Posted 413 days ago.

stickhauler

Freddy, I thought the term "dude" for a guy was synonymous with "chick" to denote a female. I wasn't aware that it was necessary to denote skin color when referring to a male. Funny, nobody else has a problem understanding. And yes, in daily conversation, I use the term interchangeably for males of any color.

Ask, was dropping the death penalty justified? The court that heard the matter felt it was, I personally didn't hear the trial court's jury instructions. And, for the record, I base my opinions on the case on reading a great deal about the case, both currently, and over the years. I recall the case going to trial. I recall how Philly was in those days.

Posted 413 days ago.

luvthesouth

forgot my manners...good morning all.

Posted 413 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred...i agree with "YUM".

Posted 413 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot, the information that i posted came from an article by J. Christian Adams who worked for the Justice Department of Civil Rights as an attorney. his history within the deaprtment and access to information and events may lend some credibility to the claims you seem to take offense.

Posted 413 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot, perceived as in a notion being put forward.. the NAACP is in the race promoting, baiting and protecting business. they advocate mainly for one race, even though there are several in our fine country today. they have re-branded themselves over the yeears to be all-inclusive but unfortunately the focus of their efforts are on african-americans and their "issues". the support of their more radical race-biased organizations whether through direct and indirect support leads me and many others to question their claim of representing the civil rights of "ALL". i have seen first-hand the results of their advocacy and how far it can be taken within the context of government for all. it quickly becomes government for me with a boogey-man around every corner and every misfortune simply a racist event. i do not desire that ideology within the justice department. a preconceived guilt is dangerous on both sides of justice.

Posted 413 days ago.

stickhauler

Abu-Jamal was frequently removed from the courtroom for his outbursts. He was in court during jury selection, and didn't object to who was seated.

This dude was trying to make a name for himself in the MOVE movement. Were there mistakes made by investigators? Sure. The reducing of the sentence from the death penalty was because the appeals court found that jury instructions were insufficient.

And Freddy, I didn't follow the case you mention, but there's a huge difference between the need to open fire to defend your life, and firing "warning shots."

Posted 413 days ago.

luvthesouth

oneill, are you talking about the Harry Reid description of African-Americans. btw...you do realize that there are white African-Americans. in your world do they rate a top-job in the Big-O administration...or is it only skin color that matters?

Posted 414 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot...your questions would be better answered by the person that i quoted. how you do not see the potential issues with putting an advocate from an organization, whose existence is perceived to be based on skin color, into the top position of the Justice Departments Civil Rights Division surely escapes me. his postion in the Justice Department would not be as innocuous as you may imagine.

Posted 414 days ago.

luvthesouth

asknot, his demonstrated advocacy to lead the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division is not a wise decision and simply lends itself to the strong potential for our Justice System to become nothing more than an extension of the NAACP. i do not wish to re-litigate a trial.

Posted 414 days ago.

luvthesouth

agreed with what Mumia was saying about structural racism in America. The NAACP was charmed by Mumia’s celebrity status among the left, and the NAACP fundraised off of it. The NAACP injected themselves thirty years after Mumia’s conviction because they sympathized with his cause. That’s what disqualifies Debo Adegbile from serving in the United States Department of Justice. It says all you need to know about his attitude toward the American justice system, police officers everywhere, and what he will be inclined to do to police departments once he has the power to investigate them for federal civil rights violations."

Posted 414 days ago.

luvthesouth

Kendall78, ideology was at the heart of the matter and not his support of the crime...although it is possible that many defense attorneys accept cases based on many different reasons that range from publicity to personal advocacy. J. Christian Adams: "The NAACP, however, took on the Mumia case because it believed in his broad cause and his complaints about a structurally racist American justice system. The NAACP lawyers, including Adegbile, took on Mumia’s cause as their own. They did not merely provide fair representation inside the courtroom. The NAACP took their crusade outside the courtroom. And what did the NAACP LDF do outside the courtroom? They peddled the corrosive and divisive notion that police departments around the country are infested with bigots and racists. This explained, you see, why Mumia was wrongly convicted in the pervasively racist Philadelphia. They incorporated Mumia’s grievances against America as their own. The NAACP took Mumia’s case because they agre

Posted 414 days ago.

luvthesouth

NasCarNut...still waiting?

Posted 414 days ago.

Kendall78

One question has not been answered yet....was their racism in the jury? If their was, then he had every right and duty to point it out.

Posted 414 days ago.

stickhauler

Again, NOBODY objected to him being a lawyer for the dude, the issue was they felt confirming a nominee that tried to claim racism in the jury makeup, would likely inject racism into most any case that came along if one was Black. This BS is becoming insane, we've already got an AG that decided to not punish the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation in 2008. Want to bet he'd have thrown the book at White Conservatives who did the same? The defendants had already been found guilty of the crime, and were awaiting sentencing when Holder simply put them on probation, with the reminder they couldn't do it again until the 2012 election.

Posted 414 days ago.

stickhauler

I'd invite you to peruse the Wall Street Journal article of 24 February 2014 titled "Toomey and Williams The Justice Nominee and The Cop Killer." Mumia Abu-Jamal confessed to killing the cop, they also had eyewitnesses who testified that he said he hoped the cop died. This piece of slime has used his actions to become a celebrity, and his defense team have made a mockery of the Justice System. Nobody objected to Adegbile's defense of the killer, they objected to his judgement in continuing to assist the killer in the appeal process that has become a travesty at best, and outright disgusting to say the least. Do we really need a person so quick to play the "he got screwed cause he's Black" card in charge of the Civil Rights Division of DOJ? I say no!

Posted 415 days ago.

stickhauler

Defending a person accused of a crime is one thing. What he did was claim the guy's defense was rejected because of a racially biased jury. Big difference. Unless you subscribe to the belief that a person, tried and convicted of a crime, can then claim they were unjustly convicted by a prejudiced jury, instead of on the basis of the evidence offered.

Would you claim that a White person was wrongly convicted on the basis of jury makeup? Or, would you give the jury the benefit of doubt that they weighed the evidence offered, and found them guilty? I'd prefer to believe reasonable people don't convict criminals simply because they're a certain color.

Posted 415 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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