I find it humorous that the Rigth leaning factions on our nation cannot ever be happy with a Democrat President. Obama raises our Debt...it's bad. Clinton lowered our Debt and it was bad.
Kun- you are under the impression that I don't think Obama has lied or misinformed people about things. I am quite certain he has. Every President does it for varying reasons. Sadly, time makes liars out of every President. Whether it's Bush and Iraq's WMDs or Obama and keeping one's insurance. They all lie or show their ignorance at some point.
The problem I have is this desire to infuse Obama's Presidency with something sinister. It's never, "Obama's lied like a typical politician". It's more like, "Obama lied because he is up to something."
The facts are, Obama has not taken our weapons. Obama will leave in 2017. The other branches of govt have not overruled him. Obama has not converted America in a Socialistic nation or make it Muslim.
You ignored my question, "I am curious, what could the President and Congress cut that couldn't be considered a weakening by someone in the nation?"
Honestly, any cuts could hurt someone in the nation or be used by those seeking political points to say it's hurting someone.
"YES, Obama's cuts to NASA did weaken this nation."
You do realize that the Space Shuttle Program was only suppose to last 15 years. Many Presidents allowed the program to continue but never pushed for a new program to replace it. President Bush was the one that pushed for it's final retirement. So in the end, it's hardly all Obama's fault that we fell behind in developing a new space shuttle program.
FYI - Remember the glory days of THE LIARS presidency? His funding program for "shovel ready jobs" (that fell on it's face) was going to be high tidings.
Check out the website about the money spent amongst the fifty states on projects for NASA (you know - the ones you're touting about Obama cutting).
Seems like he's killed more shovel-WORKING jobs with his NASA cutbacks.
h ttp://e n.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/File:NASA_dollars.jpg
You're asking the wrong guy about his "his cuts in NASA". Ask Vladamir Putin what he thinks of "did those weaken the nation"? We now have to pay Vlad The Impaler $4,000,000 per US astronaut to be transported to the ISS. I wonder how that relationship will fare in light of Putin's take over of Crimea?
OH WAIT! I forgot. I'm talking to a stone (must keep it simple) so; YES, Obama's cuts to NASA did weaken this nation.
"has shown no propensity to cut back on any federal spending (except that which weakens this country)"
I did mention his cuts in NASA, did those weaken the nation? I am curious, what could the President and Congress cut that couldn't be considered a weakening by someone in the nation?
"I can speculate, through LOGIC.."
Through fear you mean. It's the same type of fear that made people think the President was going to take away everyone's guns and that never happened. It's the same fear that he was going to try and make America into a nation bowing down to Islam.
All I see from you is a Conspiracist.
In 2017, Obama will step down. There is no reason to think otherwise. There is certainly no rational or logical reason to think he will not.
Look at the real world, do you honestly think the citizens of the US would let a President become a tyrant without raising arms against him? Do you really think that our military would allow Obama to do that? If you do, then there is little hope for you.
Look, Kendall! You're building your house on a bed of sand. I adequately took the argument apart that Obama's plan concerning the Apaches would save the taxpayers $4,000,000,000 per year for three years running, though the use of math. That $4B figure is coming from the administration of a man that is both a PROVEN LIAR and has shown no propensity to cut back on any federal spending (except that which weakens this country). So, since the Apaches ARE very capable offensive weapons that would be under the direct control of individuals not necessarily in league with said LIAR if the SHTF, I can speculate, through LOGIC, why leaving them in those hands might not be in OBAMA'S best interests.
If you'd like to debunk conspiracies, I see decisions accumulating that may be designed so that THE LIAR doesn't depart the WH come January 2017. BUT, why go there with you? You've made me realize I'm conversing with a stone.
If you were just wanting to call President Obama a liar, you should have stuck to that instead of implying some type of conspiracy plot involving the Apache helicopters and National Guard.
fringe lunatcis- I guess Dan Rather would fall under that category with his botched Bush story. LOL
NO! I calling a liar a "LIAR".
"In all likelihood,..."
You have no idea that rational people would believe.
"apprehensive about the release of such low sensitivity documents as birth certificates"
And of course his birth records were released. But the question remains whether the President (regardless of political body) should give in to the demands of fringe lunatcis.
"and college transcripts."
Yeah, Bush should have released everything shouldn't he?
"Maybe, KENDALL, you should be asking what ObamaCare..."
The topic was about what they are going to do with the helicopters. Are you trying to change the subject by bringing up Obamacare?
In all likelihood, for some reason other than saving money (since logic dictates there's NO WAY it can possibly 'save' anywhere near 4 billion dollars per year.
Remember! The plan is coming from the "Most Open and Transparent" administration in American history that tends to be apprehensive about the release of such low sensitivity documents as birth certificates and college transcripts. OH YEAH! I CAN'T "keep my doctor". I CAN'T "keep my insurance plan". I HAVEN'T "save(d) $2,500 on my insurance premiums". What's that they say about fooling me twice?
Maybe, KENDALL, you should be asking what ObamaCare was REALLY supposed to bring about, instead of asking me about ulterior motives for taking the Apaches away from the states based upon ANOTHER LIE of saving a particular amount of money each year.
You state, "Obama Confiscates National Guard Helicopters From All 50 States"
It seems that you do not believe it is for the sake of saving money. So my question to you is why do you think they are taking the Apaches away?
Let's say there is no savings....none at all. So what? Is there something wrong with the National Guard flying Black Hawks instead of Apaches?
As for program cuts, I think the President put cuts to NASA among others. How is the United States weaker? The US still spends more money on our military than any other nation. You would have to take the budgets of China, Great Britain, Russia, Saudi Arabia, France, South Korea, Germany, Japan and India to come close to what we spend.
Besides, KENDALL, if you confiscate the 192 Apaches from the National Guard and give them BACK to the US Army, are we to assume that they will then be operated cost-free to the American taxpayers? NOPE! That cost will eat into Obama's IMAGINED $4B/year in savings.
Kendall - OK! I'll leave the analogies out of it. NOW, I'll give you the opportunity to list the programs where Mr. Tax & Spend Obama has shown much interest in saving money (unless it simultaneously weakens America in some manner).
Let' look at the estimated $4,000,000,000 per annum that the confiscation will save. 192 Apaches costing $4B per year comes to $20.8 million dollars per Apache to operate for one year. Estimated cost to operate an Apache - $3,851 (h ttp://w ww.militarynuts.c om/index.php?showtopic=1460). Hours needed per year to burn up $20.8M per year @ $3.85K per hour = 5,808 hours. TOTAL NUMBER OF HOURS IN ONE YEAR = 8,760.
SOLUTION = THE NATIONAL GUARD IS FLYING ALL 192 OF THEIR APACHES 16 A DAY EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR, OR (someone is lying about the "savings"). With this administration, which would you believe? (cont)
Thankfully no one in their right mind is worried about a slippery slope like that.
One odd notion people have about the National Guard is that they answer to the Governor and not the President. The Governor is nothing more than a speed bump. If the President or the Pentagon wants the National Guard to do something, give up something or go somewhere..they will.
But at the end of the day, nothing bad is happening to the National Guard and the President isn't abusing his position with them.
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