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23 minutes ago.
by Shopsteward
BeRight
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Barack Obama Legacy

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Shopsteward

Beright that is exactly the problem, its a moving target. As soon as one spends the money to hit the target, it has changed before the system can be put online

Posted 4 days ago.

BeRight

If or when Kemper County/ Southern Company comes on line and proves the technology of clean coal, the environmentalist and the EPA will ask that the standards be raised again. Guaranteed.

Posted 4 days ago.

Shopsteward

Some idiots have no clue what it takes to convert coal power plants that are only "outdated" because of a hostile EPA and power hungry socialist president

Posted 4 days ago.

The whole problem was in the understanding that out of date powerplants would eventually be updated with clean coal technology but sadly when the owners of said plants found that they could just buy credits they halted the research into clean coal which wasnt part of the deal .

Posted 4 days ago.

Kunectdots

slinky - I Googled "pollution credits" and the first article speaks of the action to which you refer. Others can check it at; "Trading away the Earth; Pollution Credits and the Perils of Free Market Environmentalism".

Here is an exert from that article.

"To true believers in the magic of the free market, it seemed like the perfect plan. But once the EPA actually began auctioning pollution credits in 1993 it became clear that virtually nothing was going according to their projections."

Began in 1993, the very year William Jefferson Blythe III became president and HIS EPA was apparently happy with the arrangement for the full eight years of his term.

h ttp://social-ecology.o rg/w p/1996/04/trading-away-the-earth-pollution-credits-and-the-perils-of-free-market-environmentalism/

Posted 4 days ago.

They were called pollution credits and thats what kept out of date power plants in business for 20 or so years . google "pollution credits"

Posted 5 days ago.

BeRight

Kemper County/ Southern Company Project: This plant says it will meet all current EPA requirements. Why ae Environmentalists so against a project that meets all current rules?

Posted 5 days ago.

harryanderson

BeRight, you wrote, "The fact that we have an abundance of natural gas through fracking does not change what Obama 'intended' do."

Maybe, maybe not, but we haven't been talking about intentions. Shopsteward was talking cause and effect, not intention, when he wrote that Obama's EPA was the number-one killer of UMW jobs. The discussion is about whether shopsteward's claim is true or false, not Obama's intention.

And I offered up a competent source, the head of a large coal-burning power company, to dispute shopsteward's claim. And my source, Charles Patton, didn't address Obama's intent.

I won't address Obama's intent, either. It's not that important, since the Congress and Court stopped his drive to address it in 2009 and again with the CPP. What actually happened is what counts.

Yes, cheap gas has fallen into our laps. We have been blessed.

Posted 5 days ago.

Kunectdots

slinky - Please be a Dear and cite a reference source for information about the "selling chits to energy businesses to keep the coal burning".

While it may be true, your allusion to it is the first I've heard about it and I would like to know more.

Posted 5 days ago.

And yes we are trying to get other countries to work on that problem but the reality is they are their own countries and we can suggest but they will do what they want . All we can do is our part in this !

Posted 5 days ago.

Bewrite , we were supposed to either move to clean coal technology or phase coal out in the late 70's-early 80's, the government however learned that there was money to be made in selling chits to energy businesses to keep the coal burning ! That all had limitations and had to end sometime , it just happened to end on Obama's watch !

Posted 5 days ago.

BeRight

Remember, this is a "global" problem. Libs seems to forget that.

Posted 5 days ago.

BeRight

One way or another, he wanted to move away from coal. But wait there more: China, the world’s leading emitter of greenhouse gases from coal, has been burning up to 17 percent more coal a year than the government previously disclosed, according to newly released data. The sharp upward revision in official figures means that China has released much more carbon dioxide — almost a billion more tons a year according to initial calculations — than previously estimated. The increase alone is greater than the whole German economy emits annually from fossil fuels.

I never see letters to the editor wringing their hands about China.

Posted 5 days ago.

BeRight

Harry, one thing to remember is that Obama called for getting rid of coal long before we realized the abundance of natural gas available through fracking.

The fact that we have an abundance of natural gas through fracking does not change what Obama "intended" do.

I think that if the natural gas thing did not fall into his lap, we would be building a lot more nuke plants vs natural gas cogen plants.

Posted 5 days ago.

BeRight

There was a letter to the editor in last weeks paper that argued for dumping natural gas also.

Posted 5 days ago.

harryanderson

"There is no war on coal , coal just outlived its usefullness ."

Charles Patton, head of Appalachian Power, said most of American agrees.

According to the Charleston Gazette article I referenced a few minutes ago,

"What’s more, the debate over the 'war on coal,' which ***** up so much of the political air in West Virginia, has largely been settled in other states, Patton said."

"The debate largely, at this point in time, has been lost."

Posted 5 days ago.

harryanderson

"you know the number one killer of UMW jobs is the O admin and his EPA"

That's a lie.

According to the CEO of Appalachian Power, Charles Patton speaking in Roanoke, WV last October, "With or without the Clean Power Plan, the economics of alternatives to fossil-based fuels are making inroads in the utility plan. Companies are making decisions today where they are moving away from coal-fired generation."

htt p://w ww.wvgazettemail.co m/article/20151027/GZ01/151029546/1101#sthash.w51tOxsi.dpuf

And the Washington Times reported 2 weeks ago, "Coal’s slump is largely the result of cheap natural gas, which now rivals coal as a fuel for generating electricity."

ht tp://w ww.washingtontimes.co m/news/2016/may/5/ap-fact-check-bringing-coal-jobs-back-to-appalachi/?page=all

Posted 5 days ago.

Time will come full circle and unions will once again be needed , its human nature at its worse to take advantage of those who are less well off . A typical republinut trait !

Posted 5 days ago.

Shopsteward

Yep that is why Unions are dying thank GOD

Posted 6 days ago.

Change happens whether you want it or not !

Posted 6 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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