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8 days ago.
by slinky
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Obamacare is not "FREE" health care

People have finally realized that the word “free” is nowhere to be found in Obamacare’s “ Affordable Health Care Act”. Coverage under President Barack Obama's health care law won't be cheap. A study released Thursday by the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation found that government tax credits would lower the sticker price on a benchmark "silver" policy to a little over $190 a month for single people making about $29,000, regardless of their age. For uninsured people who are paying nothing today, this is still a big cost that they're expected to fit into their budgets.

 
 

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luvthesouth

in addition, the beneflex program used to allow folks to have approx. $5,0000.00 annually taken tax-free out of their paycheck to be used for healthcare related goods and services...that has been slashed to approx. $2,500.00 per participant. that 50% reduction has a profound effect on those middle-income wage earners with the loss of $2,500.00 tax-free dollars that they used to provide for themselves and their family. that was all due to Obamacare. the so-called "benefits" that you seem to tout such as 26 y.o. kids that should be out on their own, birth control for those that either don't understand the word control or are to cheap or stupid to provide their own, the potential scam and ultimate costs to the insurance companies as well as the american taxpayer for the "pre-existing condition provision, and the removal of weighted fees due to historical and documented costs based on gender is ludacris. the weighted premiums have been shifted from medically proven performa

Posted 932 days ago.

luvthesouth

generations will pay $71.3 trillion in payroll taxes but will receive $93.4 trillion in benefits. Adjusting for past and future transfers from the federal Treasury, the difference between "paid-in" and "paid-out" works out to $21.6 trillion." the systems we have in place hedge their bets just like the insurance companies. they are banking on you not making it much past retirement age. either way the government through borrowed monies makes up the shortfall wit nary a complaint...especially by those drawing out and not paying in.

Posted 932 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred, i took the liberty of looking into my claim about paying less than what many fortunate folks will take out of not only S.S. and Medicare. this is what i found to substantiate my claim. the following assumes a starting working age of 22 until the then current retirement age of 65. this also assumes continous employment at a steady rate of income. " According to the institute’s data, a two-earner couple receiving an average wage — $44,600 per spouse in 2012 dollars — and turning 65 in 2010 would have paid $722,000 into Social Security and Medicare and can be expected to take out $966,000 in benefits. So, this couple will be paid about one-third more in benefits than they paid in taxes." "the Social Security shortfall will be more than evened out by the extra dollars the couple gets back from Medicare. The couple will have paid $122,000 in Medicare taxes but will receive $387,000 in benefits — more than three times what they paid in." "past and current gene

Posted 932 days ago.

luvthesouth

good morning asknot...sorry i missed being able to say hi to you last night. to be truthful...i finally got around to finding an older memory card for a playstation and was trying out some of the older games. plus the interruption by a poster kind of put the turd in the punchbowl for me.

Posted 932 days ago.

luvthesouth

good morning gents...i see this discussion has not make much progress.

Posted 932 days ago.

RANDOM21

If ACA is "the law of the Land", how is it being changed and modified so many times but not by Congress who makes and amends laws? How can a law be constitutional that allows administrators the power to change it at will without consulting Congress, especially if those changes affect the amount of money it will cost? Just a few random questions to help get this back on track.

Posted 933 days ago.

Kendall78

This will be amusing because so many pages of copy/psate will disappear by this time tomorrow.

Posted 933 days ago.

Kendall78

I was glad that they suspended the penalty for this year. It will give many people a better chance to get coverage.

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

i just saw where asknot was getting ready to start gnawing on the "Obamacare Bone" of contention!

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred...it appears we will need to finish our discussion another time or consider it finished.

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred...i do not care for mint-juleps...can't stand gin. anyway, your sterotyping of me is humourous and as you know...i like you fred. but seriously what points did i make that you have a problem with? maybe i can clear up my math and thinking. sound fair?

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

BobBarker, anyone whose plan did not meet the requirements were cancelled. perhaps you could research and give us the correct numbers of all that had to change policies due to the new law.

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

actually fred...you are correct about one thing. i and my family have an excellent insurance plan that we pay dearly for...as do our employees. our tax-exempt beneflex program was cut by about 50% which affects quite a few folks of all income levels. i assume you are familiar with the program....if not then i will fill you in.

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred...you ought to know that i only get the national enquirer because i don't believe all of the alien baby stories in others such as "The Globe".

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

full/subsidized price is unavailable for some strange reason(embarassment maybe???) either way i defy you to show where i mentioned race or gender as a negative in my discussions of Obamacare. if not then retract your last statement when you lumped me into your false claim.

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

do was pay their own childrens premiums instead of having everyone else pay for them. you do realize that the program is no where near filled with the target people in which to attempt to make it solvent. they are too smart to pay full price when they can get it on the cheap and on the backs of those that are paying full price now for their insurance. you also realize the tax-free health savings account was cut almost in half which affected many of the people you are claiming getting such a great benefit. fred...give me a little credit...things are not beyond me as much as you might think. other than signing up for your subsidized healthcare, you should have very little concern..whereas those of us that employ people have to know the less desirable aspects of the law...you do not and probably nor do you care. of those 9 million, 2/3 are eligible for medicaid with the balance signing up for private insurance. the information concerning whether they are simply paying the penalty or the

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred...seriously...are you really trying to tell me that all that have "chipped" in as you say have paid for the extensive care that they may recieve from any governemnt program. the insurance companies charge higher risk folks more as they should pay more. thats the rub with Obamacare. the healthy are expected to prop up the elderly and the unhealthy. i would venture to guess that one intricate surgery would wipe out the contributions that many have paid into any governemnt system. the ponzi scheme that is many of the assitance and support systems which you tout depend heavily on "so-called" tax support for its lenient contributors support. those such as yourself that have been fortunate or ornery enough to have lived as long as you have may wish to add up all that you have paid in and compare it at the end of your life. i have the suspicion that you will be in arrears. guess what fred...parents could insure their kids until they died beforehand. all they had to d

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

lets try it again..it was too long to get in one swipe....sorry. bear with me...it may be beyond me.

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

ornery enough to have lived as long as you have may wish to add up all that you have paid in and compare it at the end of your life. i have the suspicion that you will be in arrears. guess what fred...parents could insure their kids until they died beforehand. all they had to do was pay their own childrens premiums instead of having everyone else pay for them. you do realize that the program is no where near filled with the target people in which to attempt to make it solvent. they are too smart to pay full price when they can get it on the cheap and on the backs of those that are paying full price now for their insurance. you also realize the tax-free health savings account was cut almost in half which affected many of the people you are claiming getting such a great benefit. fred...give me a little credit...things are not beyond me as much as you might think. other than signing up for your subsidized healthcare, you should have very little concern..whereas those of us that employ pe

Posted 933 days ago.

luvthesouth

fred...the national enquirer gets it right more times than the slanted mainstream media. they have weathered many legal threats from those who have been embarassed by their publication. if you have the time...please feel free to investigate its accuracy...then comment.

Posted 933 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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